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<DIV>We all know this-I support OWS-I donated to OWS. I want it to remain open
to diverse opinions regarding the needed restructuring. Personally, I support
Ron Paul on ending the FED as a very significant first step in structural
reform. I’m in CA and I have heard from people in LA that the Occupy group there
is attempting to ramrod their issues/views and push them throughout the state.
I’m fighting that tactic & hope P2P will be vigilant as well as
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michel@p2pfoundation.net
href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">Michel Bauwens</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:45 AM</DIV>
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Natalie,<BR><BR>you are right that there are corrupt people everywhere, but
structural aspects are very important, <BR><BR>in a monarchy, you can't
challenge the monarch, in a democracy, you can, at least in theory<BR><BR>the
challenge of osw is the awareness that this 'democracy' is no longer functioning
and has been captured by private business interests,<BR><BR>one could argue that
the current state form has been nearly completely captured, at least and
especially in the US, by such predatory factions (of course, the EU is giving
the same strong signs of this as well)<BR><BR>no human system is beyond
corruption, and the most democratic systems can slide intro their
contrary,<BR><BR>Michel<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Natalie Golovin <SPAN
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<DIV>That’s what I said..Corrupt, conniving businessmen use liberal causes
like affordable housing and turn it to their own ends. James A Johnson did
that exact thing re Fannie-Freddie. As the current bottom up revolution
develops-there will be squabbling, discontent and malfactors waiting in the
wings. My mail was about realizing that there are ethical voices out there
that your “group” has not recognized and have much to contribute. It really
comes down to the individual morality of the leaders or representatives. I’m
convinced a Monarchy can have more freedom than a Democracy-if the Monarch
uses his power beneficently. There are selfish, unscrupulously people
everywhere-even in the homes of those supporting the “Commons.”</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:02 PM</DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>and just a remark, for several decades, we had very successful
and relatively uncorrupt public housing in Europe, which helped millions of
working class people to a house, either through cheap rent or cheap mortgages
.. in fact, the real estate bubbles started at pretty much the same time they
stopped doing this, and housing shortages became permanent after this
...<BR><BR>just to mention the example of my own family, in a country which
still had child labourers dying in their teens until the fifties, 'government
policies' insured free education, free healthcare, cheap quality housing,
allowing a child of two orphan working class parents to go to the university
...<BR><BR>all of this was slowly dismantled, but not completely, in the 80's
with the neoliberal counterrevolution ...<BR><BR>I would not be surprised if
U.S. welfare institutions were gutted and defunded, then blamed for their
failures because they were 'government' ...<BR><BR>I'm not saying this as an
absolute fan of 'government', just as a counterpoint to the right-libertarian
myth that governments are always bad and corporations always good (I'm
slightly exagerating but the essence is really that)<BR><BR>Natalie, most
often you will see that those pocketing the $$$ are not 'liberals' but
actually archconservatives using libertarian justifications for their looting
...<BR><BR>Michel<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Hello Peers-I've been following Michael Hudson for a long
time. Libertarian<BR>economic ideas are shunned by mainstream candidates
& progressives won't<BR>listen with open minds. If you like Hudson &
Yves Smith- maybe P2P could<BR>listen more carefully to details put forth by
Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Dennis<BR>Kucinich. Not the panacea you imagine, but
much closer to freedom then the<BR>criminals in charge now. Hope you've read
"Reckless Endangerment" and<BR>learned how conniving businessmen used
affordable housing and were protected<BR>by an aura of political
correctness-to build the Fannie/Freddie scheme.<BR>Often regulatory capture
is used by the Left to promote equality but the $$$<BR>ends up in the
pockets of the liars-posing as liberals.<BR>
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target=_blank>toeslist.yahoogroups.com</A><BR>Subject: [P2P-F] Michael
Hudson video *****<BR><BR>In this Real New Network interview Michael Hudson
has put forth the best<BR>reasoning that I've heard favoring state banking.
It is to treat the<BR>entire banking sector as a public utility function
only. This brings the<BR>MMT and FF principles for fiscal policy reform into
prominence by having<BR>the rest of the necessary reform agenda.
Reiteration, a major part of the<BR>problem is the banking culture itself.
Shifting that sector primarily<BR>toward functioning as a regulated, public
utility. Eliminating the<BR>fractional reserve franchise is another line on
a reform agenda.<BR>Re-establishing the debt free supply of currency is
another agenda line.<BR>Countercyclical intervention to create jobs is
another slice of functional<BR>finance fiscal policies. Repairing, building,
and expanding public<BR>infrastructure is another
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