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<DIV>From what general assembly? Did everyone on the streets have a chance to
vote?-Who decided at what point in time a vote should be taken? Are we
talking about the same protests? I donated to Occupy Wall Street and do feel a
responsibility, but think the entire uprising would be harmed if it became
hijacked by one subgroup-especially so early in the process.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=xekoukou@gmail.com
href="mailto:xekoukou@gmail.com">Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:37 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [P2P-F]
Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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is a document accepted by the general assemply. One is not responsible for what
is but what he does to change things . Since, I assume, there is a democratic
process in the assemply, it would be more fruitfull to try to participate than
condemn it. It would also be usefull to answer what is the responsibility of
your group, party in this turn of events. I have seen too many condemning the
people for being stupid and ignorant instead of looking for their
responsibility. In fact , a libertarian friend of mine had the same attitude
toward the greek movement because the libertarian ideas were not accepted.
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<DIV>Just saying...<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2011/10/2 Natalie Golovin <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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class=gmail_quote>Reich was the darling of "soft" academia in the 60's. I find
him irrelevant<BR>as well as unappealing. My preference is the recent and
pragmatic Eric<BR>Hoffer- a man of the people. The totalitarian left has
murdered more, and<BR>caused far more economic despair than the Fascist right.
Dictators demand<BR>unitary power/control to engineer/impose their egotistical
world-views.<BR>Fascist corporatism has many more voices and simpler motives.
My "take" on<BR>Libertarianism is that it couldn't be a mask for its own gain-
because there<BR>are no real leaders-no central authority. We ask for a
limited, intelligent<BR>and competent political structure that will act as
honest watch-dog,<BR>moderator, umpire, referee- to negotiate competing
demands in a free-market<BR>society. The rewriting of the Interstate Commerce
Clause helped removed govt<BR>from local democratic control. Abuses
contributing to the current crisis<BR>have been the result of collusion among
global corporate and political<BR>leaders with the eager assistance of an
unethical financial community.<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:ideasinc@ee.net">ideasinc@ee.net</A><BR>Sent: Sunday, October 02,
2011 9:47 AM<BR>To: P2P Foundation mailing list<BR>Subject: Re: [P2P-F]
Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>Natalie,<BR>Wilhelm Reich wrote an excellent book, that
generally is ignored. The<BR>title is the "Mass Psychology of Fascism." it is
based upon his direct<BR>experience of the rise of Nazi fascism in Germany and
of his direct<BR>contact with Stalinist communists which he also describes as
a form of<BR>fascism. Then there are the various degrees of totalitarianism.
Both are<BR>very similar by the enforced conformity to authority.
"Libertarianism" as<BR>a concept has also been used to provide an acceptable
appearance for other<BR>forms of authoritarianism, most notably the siege
against small "d"<BR>democracy and the role of governance to protect and
preserve the commons<BR>in its many forms. The Libertarian Party in the US has
been gathering<BR>point for nominal conservatives who operate to diminish the
commons in<BR>multiple contexts. Sticking to the outcomes and objectives as
would be<BR>expected in a democratic process does seem like a better way to
define and<BR>sustain an open process. Yes, there is a substantial potential
problems<BR>when appearance and labels are accepted as either adequate or
applicable.<BR>In short you, imo, are quite correct in being suspicious of
labeling as<BR>basis for political
correctness.<BR><BR>Tadit<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:19:19
-0400, Natalie Golovin <<A
href="mailto:10natalie@cox.net">10natalie@cox.net</A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>>
Declaration will cause movement to lose a lot of support. You may say<BR>>
you don�t care about Libertarians anyway-not very democratic attitude.<BR>>
When the Left gets going it�s more frightening than the
Corporatocracy<BR>><BR>> From: Michel Bauwens<BR>> Sent: Sunday,
October 02, 2011 12:14 AM<BR>> To: p2p-foundation<BR>> Cc: Amaia
Arcos<BR>> Subject: [P2P-F]
Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City<BR>><BR>> <A
href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City"
target=_blank>http://p2pfoundation.net/Declaration_of_the_Occupation_of_New_York_City</A><BR>><BR>>
Dear Amaia, can you publish this on our blog?<BR>><BR>>
Michel<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>P2P
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