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<DIV class=hr style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 5px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; HEIGHT: 0px" readonly="true" contenteditable="false"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Michel Bauwens <michel@p2pfoundation.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> building-a-distributed-decentralized-internet@googlegroups.com; P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> teleboiski@gmail.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 12 September 2011, 7:00<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [P2P-F] Spirituality and the internet<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV id=yiv442377868 style="RIGHT: auto">I find the Lilly diagram VERY VERY useful, many thanks, it clearly maps out possible differences in giving value to such experiences ...<BR><BR>However, I'm agnostic on them, because whatever their ontological status, they are 'real' experiences and have 'real' meaning. So for the the correct consequence is: 1) acknowledging the experience (eye of spirit); 2) discussing their meaning intersubjectively (eye of mind); 3) assessing their ontological status (eye of matter, the 3 mind theory of Lilly).<BR><BR>I would love to read Luminarium, <A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html</A>, which directly investigates those issues ...<BR><BR>ha John Lilly (big bouts of nostalgia) ... yes, Richard that really shows (y)our age <g><BR><BR>for
the young amongst us: <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly</A> ... can't remember who that was, but I once hadd long conversations with a man who had been Lilly's librarian for years ...<BR><BR>Michel<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv442377868gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Poor Richard <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:poor.ricardo@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:poor.ricardo@gmail.com">poor.ricardo@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=yiv442377868gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Another tangent of this spirituality in the internet topic is spiritual machines. <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Spiritual_Machines" target=_blank rel=nofollow><I><B>The Age of Spiritual Machines</B></I></A> is a book by <A title=Futurology href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology" target=_blank rel=nofollow>futurist</A> <A title="Ray Kurzweil" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Ray Kurzweil.</A><BR><BR>My thoughts on the subject are on a different track from Kurzweil, but he may be the inventor of the general concept. My interest is focused as bit differently from his. I imagine a "spiritual <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Test" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Turing Test</A>" in which the object is to detect whether the test taker is a human or a
machine, but in which all the questions relate only to the subject of spirituality. I predict a machine will pass this test, judged by a panel of religious and political celebrities, in the year 2030.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>PR<BR></FONT><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>P2P Foundation - Mailing list<BR><A href="http://www.p2pfoundation.net/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.p2pfoundation.net</A><BR><A href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target=_blank rel=nofollow>https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>P2P Foundation: <A href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://p2pfoundation.net</A> - <A href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</A> <BR><BR>Connect: <A href="http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/" target=_blank
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