I find the Lilly diagram VERY VERY useful, many thanks, it clearly maps out possible differences in giving value to such experiences ...<br><br>However, I'm agnostic on them, because whatever their ontological status, they are 'real' experiences and have 'real' meaning. So for the the correct consequence is: 1) acknowledging the experience (eye of spirit); 2) discussing their meaning intersubjectively (eye of mind); 3) assessing their ontological status (eye of matter, the 3 mind theory of Lilly).<br>
<br>I would love to read Luminarium, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html</a>, which directly investigates those issues ...<br>
<br>ha John Lilly (big bouts of nostalgia) ... yes, Richard that really shows (y)our age <g><br><br>for the� young amongst us: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly</a> ... can't remember who that was, but I once hadd long conversations with a man who had been Lilly's librarian for years ...<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Poor Richard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:poor.ricardo@gmail.com">poor.ricardo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Another tangent of this spirituality in the internet topic is spiritual machines. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Spiritual_Machines" target="_blank"><i><b>The Age of Spiritual Machines</b></i></a> is a book by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurology" title="Futurology" target="_blank">futurist</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil" title="Ray Kurzweil" target="_blank">Ray Kurzweil.</a><br>
<br>My thoughts on the subject are on a different track from Kurzweil, but he may be the inventor of the general concept. My interest is focused as bit differently from his. I imagine a "spiritual <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Test" target="_blank">Turing Test</a>" in which the object is to detect whether the test taker is a human or a machine, but in which all the questions relate only to the subject of spirituality. I predict a machine will pass this test, judged by a panel of religious and political celebrities, in the year 2030.<br>
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