thanks Dante,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Dante-Gabryell Monson</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:51 PM<br>Subject: Fwd: [OK] Re: <Coalition> Re: Eco-villages Taxonomy<br>To: <a href="mailto:econowmix@googlegroups.com">econowmix@googlegroups.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>BenB</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solaureum@gmail.com" target="_blank">solaureum@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:41 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Hi, can I suggest: instead of a taxonomy of Ecovillages, how about a taxonomy of ecovillagING--that is to say, the range of activities, technologies, structures, skills, arts, opportunities, etc. that enable and maintain such spaces in a great variety of settings (some of which could be outside the general idea of 'ecovillage' but still interesting and important).<div>
<br></div><div>I have taken several taxonomies from social and media sites around the web combined for this 3D model, which still needs work but could be a good reference for you (or please let me know if you want to work together on developing it further!):</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="https://cacoo.com/diagrams/0JBtZevhQg233EBL" target="_blank">https://cacoo.com/diagrams/0JBtZevhQg233EBL</a> --several entries would have more sub-headings or tag clusters (ongoing research...)</div>
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<br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Roest</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marklroest@gmail.com" target="_blank">marklroest@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:59 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Hello Ben,<br><br>This is great! I love your concept of what is good in each area. I'd like to help you work on it, and also share it with people working on regional transformation design. It can also be used for marketing things that augment good -- you link them to the goods they augment. In the layer below that, you explain why they augment it, perhaps with links to certifications, etc.; in the next layer down you show the analytical model, provide the evidence, etc.� <br>
<br>Similarly, building the taxonomy of good, what you have could be the top layer display. When someone wants to see more detail, they get a layer that has one cluster from the top layer as its main elements, and one or two layers of detail below that linked to it. It will help people remember the context, and think of useful links, to have a thumbnail of the layer (or layers?) above shown alongside the active layer. The map can go down many layers, as you move from a major category, to its subcategories, to why some approaches are good, to methods of making them happen, to specific technologies and other resources used in those methods, and networks of groups and individuals who are developing and / or using those methods.<br>
<br>Under that last level, you can create specific directories, with peer ratings, access information, relative safety data, and more.<br><br>One area that could use adjustment is that the top half of the Culture cluster is obscured by the window that holds information about the mind-map.<br>
<br>Gotta run!<br><br>More later.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Mark</font><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>George Mokray</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gmoke@world.std.com" target="_blank">gmoke@world.std.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:47 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>
I second that proposal.<br>
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"Quite clearly, our task is predominantly metaphysical, for it is how to get all of humanity to educate itself swiftly enough to generate spontaneous behaviors that will avoid extinction." �R. Buckminster Fuller<br>
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Bugout bag to refugee camp - what is the toolkit of "spontaneous behaviors that will avoid extinction"?<br>
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We need a tool set for, at least, emergencies and disasters. �It should be portable, adaptable, and resilient, made of readily available materials that can be easily repaired. �I say start with Solar IS Civil Defense - flashlight, cell phone, radio, extra set of batteries all from a few square inches of solar electric panel. �Add a hand crank or bicycle generator and survival level, refugee camp level electricity is available day or night, by sunlight or muscle power, anywhere around the world. �I suspect it is also now affordable or could be made so for the 1.5 billion or so people in the world who do not yet have access to reliable electric power.<br>
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There are similar solutions available for disinfecting, cleaning, and heating water, basic human sanitation transforming human manure and urine into energy and fertilizer safely, without stink, stank, or (much_ funk, shelter and housing, what's the wish list? �Appropedia has many of the resources already available for compilation. �All we need to do is compile that list.<br>
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Open-E Farm adds another layer and scale as well.<br>
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Broadcast the tool kit on all media available, in all languages, to all the people who need or want it. �Think of it as updating Gandhi's Constructive Programme for the 21st century using currently available technology for local production, swadeshi. �Marry this educational and economic development with the social network revolutions sweeping around the world and we might be able to start transforming living conditions for the better virally.<div>
<div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Roest</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marklroest@gmail.com" target="_blank">marklroest@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:07 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Right on, George!<br><font color="#888888">�<br>Mark</font><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Roest</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marklroest@gmail.com" target="_blank">marklroest@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:28 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Ben's mindmap at <a href="https://cacoo.com/diagrams/0JBtZevhQg233EBL" target="_blank">https://cacoo.com/diagrams/0JBtZevhQg233EBL</a> is a very good start on just that. I replied to it with an explanation of how the taxonomical nature of his mind-map can be deepened, so you can get down to the level of specificity you are addressing below.<br>
<br>By cross-referencing this taxonomy with the eco-regions, ecosystems and cultures in each place, which require different responses in the same issue categories, we can avoid the confusion of having to list all the different ways an issue needs to be addressed depending on the variables. <br>
<br>In each of the 827 terrestrial eco-regions, and in each of their ecosystems, you (i.e., lots of different people who know them) state the conditions that exist for a given issue (like growing food, for example), and you provide the solutions that work for that kind of system. Then, people of the cultures that inhabit that kind of place say what solutions are valid for their cultures, and those get tagged with that information. Now a person in a culture can drill right down to where they are, what kind of ecosystem it is, what works in which circumstances, and what is 'right' for their culture. Voila!<br>
<br>There is also a unifying force. Permaculture is essentially a collection of lessons about the general principles, and many specific solutions, that humanity has uncovered over the millenia, for living in harmony with all our relations. Same for each indigenous culture. It is a matter of Unity and Diversity -- the basic principle of life. Lessons that apply (perhaps in somewhat different ways) in many different ecosystems are another layer of the knowledgebase, and a good starting point for people not immersed in a particular culture.<br>
<br>This is a major part of what I have long wanted to do in what I call the Environmental, Economic and Land Use Planning Knowledgebase. Let's play!<br><br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888"><br>Mark Roest</font><div>
<div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Wael Al Saad</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:globalpalestine@googlemail.com" target="_blank">globalpalestine@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:35 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ben, I have brainstormed Ecovillaging for my idea concept here <a href="http://www.mindmeister.com/de/19349055/home-cooperative-association" target="_blank">http://www.mindmeister.com/de/19349055/home-cooperative-association</a><br>
Your 3D model is providing simple, logical and rich language. I will see how to implement it for my particular case. <br><br>For my venture I plan to study and analyse existing models through taxonomy model, diving for perles, which will enable me after to present my project to local forces and put the correct proposal for it.<br>
<br>I think we can start from Devin work and discuss new format. I am very much interested in eco-villages with self-sufficience appropriate economic activities (healing economy) so I would start analysing these using the new format. <br>
<br>I might travel for several days to Jordan this week, so I wont be able to meet on SKYPE or deliver any proposals .. <br>What do u think of creating a circle "Eco-villaging Taxonomy" on G+ to try the hangout function?<div>
<div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Devin Balkind</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devin@sarapisfoundation.org" target="_blank">devin@sarapisfoundation.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:04 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a>, Patrick Gibbs <<a href="mailto:patrick0@riseup.net" target="_blank">patrick0@riseup.net</a>><br>
</font><br></span><br>An open, accessible database of eco-communities is an essential element for the emergence of a network of collaborative spaces that develop and deploy a global knowledge commons.� The more effective the taxonomy used to categorize these places, the easier it will be to create a strong network.� I'm cc'ing Patrick Gibbs on this conversation as I think he could contribute to this effort.<br>
<br>Please include me in your G+ or whatever platform you settle on using.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:00 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>I also like this development of the idea of a taxonomy of eco-villages to a taxonomy of ecovillagING. It certainly widens things out. I'm also interested that Mark suggests ideas at a personal level, and disaster scenarios, and that Wael is looking at longer term community aspects. <br>
<br>This puts me in mind of Vinay Gupta's work on "six ways to die" (too hot, too cold, lack of food, lack of water, injury, disease) and ways to avoid dying on an increasingly complex levels -� individual level,� family group level, community level etc.�� I wonder if some of his thinking/diagrams would be a helpful addition to this thread. <br>
<ul><li>This link is to the outline of a talk given� by Vinay at the Temprary School of Thought and includes a link to the six ways to die diagram <a href="http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/personal/talk-outline-for-jan-7th-in-london-infrastructure-for-anarchists-1144" target="_blank">http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/personal/talk-outline-for-jan-7th-in-london-infrastructure-for-anarchists-1144</a>. <br>
</li><li>This link has a video explaining the ideas with visual aids <a href="http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/other/vinay-gupta-six-ways-to-die-shelter-workshop-eindhoven-102009-1597" target="_blank">http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/other/vinay-gupta-six-ways-to-die-shelter-workshop-eindhoven-102009-1597</a></li>
</ul>Pamela<div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>BenB</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solaureum@gmail.com" target="_blank">solaureum@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:56 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Thank you Wael, Mark, George for stimulating an exchange here, this is great stuff. I think we're homing in on some important fundamentals of wisdom systems in this arena--perhaps the most important area to find global understanding and language for a semantically empowered info-web!<div>
<br></div><div>Let's definitely make a bit of visual and realtime workspace to take these things further. I am currently working hard to write out more complete picture of what I'd like to do with such tools, and connecting to several other work groups where related applications are in development.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Maybe G+ is a good idea, since I think it integrates well with google docs (including drawings tool) although I actually like Cacoo better for this. Just signed up: <a href="http://gplus.to/bneb" target="_blank">gplus.to/bneb</a> if anyone wants to jump in with that, or suggest other spaces/strategies...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wael, I remember some good posts from you many months ago on this mail list, but would love to hear again what is your current focus for implementation? Are you trying to coordinate one or more ecovillage projects in your area, or network existing sites, or just collect and provide tools for anyone?</div>
<div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Wael Al Saad</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:globalpalestine@googlemail.com" target="_blank">globalpalestine@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:52 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br><div dir="ltr">this thread should help me with your support to set up something on the ground (open-source eco-village for healing economy). <br>
After two years investgating the situation locally (Jenin/WestBank//Palestine) and what people are driven for, I found out it is very complicated to start such a higher culture infrastructure, where all are focusing on their individual economic streangth and security. <br>
On the one hand, I am still not in the position to present the concept the way which make it succesful. To do it right I must get in the eco-villages "business" and learn from exising experience, thats why the tele-web field study through developing the� Eco-villaging Taxonomy and data gathering .<br>
The other thing I have started is developing my own permaculture home-scale garden and planing to use that as study case for 3days workshop as short intro to permaculture and some homescale applications. <br><br>Hopefully tomorrow i will start a docu reflects the outcome of the discussion as I think it is applicable for me.<br>
There I will see the� categories impulsing the questions as eco-villaging sectors map taxonomy<div><div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Wael Al Saad</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:globalpalestine@googlemail.com" target="_blank">globalpalestine@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 7:55 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a>, Patrick Gibbs <<a href="mailto:patrick0@riseup.net" target="_blank">patrick0@riseup.net</a>><br>
</font><br></span><br><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>I have started adding the missing sectors from the point of my re-search.�<div><a href="http://www.mindmeister.com/maps/show/106841534" target="_blank">http://www.mindmeister.com/maps/show/106841534</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>help is needed to better concentrate the data and categories.�</div><div><br></div><div>Devin, do you see any�possibility to organize any of these topics into your data-base�scheme?��</div>
<div>Is it possible to send me the current database in excel format to see if I can find patterns and trends within?�</div><div><div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Devin Balkind</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devin@sarapisfoundation.org" target="_blank">devin@sarapisfoundation.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:34 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a>, Patrick Gibbs <<a href="mailto:patrick0@riseup.net" target="_blank">patrick0@riseup.net</a>><br>
</font><br></span><br>Really enjoying your map.� I like to organize things into three categories: people, places and projects.� <br><br>People describes individuals and groups (worth adding to your scheme), places describes physical locations and their features ('architecture') and projects describe how people and places turn inputs into outputs ('economic fields')<br>
<br>The coworking/registry project is still on step 1: get the minimum amount of information about the maximum amount of spaces.� You can see the info at <a href="http://7.corowkingregistry.org" target="_blank">7.corowkingregistry.org</a>.� I've also listed fields in a bunch of relevant databases <a href="https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArhSktWsQi1VdDl4MGcwdXp2a09jUHV3QU1NMnV6aXc&hl=en_US" target="_blank">here</a>.� Please feel free to use/edit this spreadsheet to meet your needs.<br>
<br>Let me know how I can be of more assistnace.<div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Wael Al Saad</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:globalpalestine@googlemail.com" target="_blank">globalpalestine@googlemail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:25 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:openkollab@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">openkollab@googlegroups.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a>, Patrick Gibbs <<a href="mailto:patrick0@riseup.net" target="_blank">patrick0@riseup.net</a>><br>
</font><br></span><br><div dir="ltr"><br>Suresh,<br><br>this thread is the most active one .. <br>I have started with this mindmap <a href="http://www.mindmeister.com/106841534/healing-economy-eco-villageing-forming-taxonomy" target="_blank">http://www.mindmeister.com/106841534/healing-economy-eco-villageing-forming-taxonomy</a> <br>
to reflect what I think is missing in IC directory with the focus on economic space.<br>I am interested for the task to update IC directory database scheme and gather new test information . i do not know if we yet if Devin/IC people are interested for this update, to be done on their database. If not I would use the new scheme individually with whom else is interested. <br>
<div><div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Roest</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marklroest@gmail.com" target="_blank">marklroest@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:58 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>Hello Wael and Suresh,<br><br>The map is a decent start. It needs to have links between related systems, such as communications and governance, that show the potential of a whole systems approach. Maybe there need(s) to be (a) sandbox version(s) to encourage collective brainstorming and iteration across communities and cultures.<br>
<br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888"><br>Mark</font><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Roest</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marklroest@gmail.com" target="_blank">marklroest@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:59 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>It also needs to reflect the pervasive relationship with the specific ecosystems and cultures of each place.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>Mark</font><div><div></div></div><br>----------<br><span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Mark Junkunc</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thefreshclassics@gmail.com" target="_blank">thefreshclassics@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br></font><br></span><br>This is starting to sound more and more like a facet of the catalyst system that I am working on. I encourage those who are interested to look this�attached�design comp over and let me know if you see this discussion fitting into this interface?<div>
<br></div><div>If not does anyone see something else�tangible�coming from this discussion?�<br><div><br></div><div>-Mark<div><div></div></div></div></div><div><div></div></div><br></div><br>
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