thanks sam, for the details,<br><br>by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story in his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized by the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article, you can check,<br>
<br>of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is necessarilty 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution is advisable,<br><br>I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed fascinating for me as well,<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi michel & sam,<div><br></div><div>thanks for the heads up.</div><div>that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.<div>I did find the book's title rather interesting:�<a href="http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/" target="_blank">http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/</a>�</div>
<div>but now I wander how much it is actually factual</div><div>�and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.</div><div><br></div><div>/J</div><div><br></div><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..<br><br>see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement</a> for the basic info,<br>
<br>I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically attack progressive gatherings ..<br>
<br>more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite, <a href="http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14" target="_blank">http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14</a> .., it writes ..<br>
<br>"LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take the
bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without
breaking his neck. "<br><br>a bit on their views:<br><br><p>LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which
involves George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients,
has decided to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World
Bank-financed de-industrialization to deplete the population of the
Third World. The cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental
policies to prevent those countries from developing economically;
'Malthusian' population policies which incorporate birth control,
abortion, and allowing disease and hunger free rein; profiteering
through 'neo-colonial' resource control; the "lab-created" AIDs virus;
and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as feminism, homosexuality,
Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll counterculture." This
conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab bag of far right and far
left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only massive industrial
projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with atomic bombs
(!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can free
the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.</p>LaRouche
has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he wants to
move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither
laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson
argued over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land
of small, dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen."
Hamilton thought America would develop through a strong Central Bank
which financed industrial development and fostered growth of urban
centres, not rural farmers. Hamilton was right on one score -
"Jeffersonian" democracy meant slavery for another 100 years.) In his
"Science of Christian Economy," LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems
on <i>usury</i>, the lending of money at excessive interest. LaRouche
also blames much of our 'cultural' breakdown on a move away from
classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed musical scale,
Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in painting. Ever
the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian" thinking which
he sees behind our legal and other institutions. LaRouche's plan to
'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of envisioning <br><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Michel Bauwens</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM<br>Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire<br>To: james burke <<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>Cc: p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>>, David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>, George Papanikolaou <<a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com" target="_blank">georgepapani@gmail.com</a>>, David Ronfeldt <<a href="mailto:ronfeldt@mac.com" target="_blank">ronfeldt@mac.com</a>><br>
<br><br>this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,<br><br>I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle against 'empire' ?<br><br>One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and it you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let the alarm bells ringing,<br>
<br>I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't ring true to me?<br><br>Michel<div><div></div><div><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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