hi Pamela,<br><br>I'm pretty sure that that 52, I would make very little chance of finding a job in the traditional job market,<br><br>this is why so many people over 40 are actually consultants, because in management, what we really have now is a 'up or out' system, which gradually pushes out people and as the pyramids thins, less and less opportunites avail. I think there are several important aspects to corporate reluctance, one is the level of energy which diminishes, which in the current 'histerical' work-culture (one of my pet theories is that the anal-retentive ruling class of the fifties has been replaced by a histerical ruling class of the specualitive casino finance world) is a real aspect of work; the other is I think declining willingness as we grow older and more 'self-realized' to accept hierarchical diktats .. Not that we like if when we are young, but often we lack the self-confidence and believe it's the price to pay to 'make' it and be accepted in the world as is ... As we grow older, that willingness disappears ... around mid-live crisis, a lot of us have a crisis of 'centroversion', in which, rather than adapt the world to us, we want to adapt the world to us, and have the increased confidence to embark on this effort, but this type of effort is almost incompatible with corporate feudal structures, which assume only the top can mold the world ..<br>
<br>just my five cents, it's late an night, hence the ramble ..<g><br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Pamela McLean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pamela.mclean@dadamac.net">pamela.mclean@dadamac.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Michel<br><br>This thread prompts me to share some related thoughts and plans with you - because the economy and the world of work are closely related<br>
<br>I'm currently looking at issues and practicalities around the world of work and where individual people fit in this changing world.<br>
My starting point was the bbc panorama programme "finished at fifty?" - but my interest goes further back and deeper. (I'm not digging out all the references for this email, but I could if they were genuinely wanted).<br>
<br>The programme stimulated various personal responses - many of them interconnected. Here's a quick list of key thought - apologies if I have not expressed them very clearly. I feel that we have sufficient shared background and thinking that I can write quick notes freely to you - and if any are not clear we can sort out any confusions later :<br>
<ul><li>The tragedy of wasted potential - on all levels: individual, family, community, national economy and beyond (local/global aspects)<br></li><li>The "lies" of much current advice to the "finished at fifty?" group - and beyond - i.e. all you need is a positive attitude, a revamped CV and a willingness to be more flexible in your approach etc.</li>
<li>The way that our competitive, individualistic, consumer driven society (i.e. "you are what you buy") make unemployment much worse to bear than it needs to be (i.e. even people who are not struggling financially as a result still struggle with many other aspects)<br>
</li><li>The facts of collaboration and related facts of the commons - i.e. together we are stronger - we are a resource - we can find win-win ways of working that are beyond traditional ways of going about things - the Internet enables many of these</li>
<li>We are in a time of change as great as the industrial revolution - we probably won't get its name right until it is over - but it includes massive shifts in all kinds of things that I don't need to cover with you.<br>
</li><li>There is an Internet-enabled view of the future which is focussed on the past and is little more than "what people and organisations did� before the Internet - but with emails, websites, social media and such-like added on"�</li>
<li>There is an Internet-enabled view of the future which is focussed not on the past but on immediate realities and future possibilites and is based on models of communication and collaboration that have only become possible with the Internet.</li>
<li>There is a model of an Internet enabled future that is based on things like collaboration, communication, community and openness and has very different attitudes and work patterns to our previous culture based on competition, consumption, individualism� and isolation - I'll call this future a collaborative future for short.</li>
<li>I believe that the collaborative future has many more work styles in it - which I describe as win-win-working.</li><li>I believe these work-styles and work-teams are very agile and dynamic.</li><li>As teams get better established, and histories of trust and collaboration are established, then there will be many more stable and longer term elements emerging that can be called on in the collaborative future win-win-working model.</li>
<li>In win-win-working people work for their own reasons - ranging from simple traditional "work-for-money" reasons, to all kinds of "because I want this project to happen so will give my time freely" , to in-between win-wins such as "I need a chance to build my credibility with this group" or "this is a demonstration project' - one where we believe that once people see what we offer they will understand its value and and will� give us stuff (money or other things we need) to do more of it.�</li>
<li>In many win-win-working situations people do not need to do much negotiating to get started - because things are done towards a shared vision in small stages� People agree their level of commitment at the start of each small step. At the end of each step everyone is at a their own personally defined win-win stage - and is free to join in agreeing the next step in a win-win way or to leave..� <br>
</li><li>A collaborative future see people who are free to do work as a valuable resource - it rejoices in knowing people who are "not in formal work", who are "between jobs" who are currently "time rich" if they are people who would like to see their skills, knowledge, creativity etc valued and used - and are not too worried about exact payment for exact work</li>
<li>NB Of course people need to cover their material needs - I recognise that some people facing redundancy are frantic about meeting their material needs - and those of dependents - while some others - e.g. with no mortagage, no dependents and a big redundancy payment can afford to be more relaxed about what they do next.</li>
<li>Not everyone wants to maximise earnings but people do need to cover their material needs - "threshold earners article is useful introduction to the idea of being more relaxed on the earning side of things - plus all kinds of escape the rat-race stuff".</li>
<li>Some of our material needs (I am not suggesting it is many - but some) can be met in a collaborative way that does not necessarily need money.<br></li><li>It would benefit all of us if we had ways to steward and harvest the rich human resource which is available 'to us all" through people currently being ejected from the work-force, or struggling to enter it for the first time.� <br>
</li><li>We should steward and nurture this resource in a "future collaboration" communal way, instead of behaving in past-focussed ways that fragment it and make it compete against itself for scarce "traditional jobs".</li>
<li>We should combat the traditional approach to joblessness that leaves many individuals isolated,� struggling to re-invent and market themselves, sending in job applications that are usually either ignored� or rejected, now and again getting short listed only to be rejected in favour of someone else, getting increasingly depressed, confused and with decreasing confidence, capabilities, and sense of self-worth.� � <br>
</li></ul>I'm not just ranting on about this - I am also working on some practical responses - but I won't tell you about those now as I have already written a long email. I simply wanted to connect with you related to our overlapping interests (regarding collaboration, work, and patterns of work etc) in anticipation of the upcoming webconference on the Future of the Economy and your input to it.<br>
<br>Pamela <br><div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br></div><br>� <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 31 July 2011 09:11, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">Dear James, and others<br><br>I see that a new chat function has been enabled at Ning, probably by Daniel 'theboon",<br>
<br>great, but I'm wondering, should we organize some chat events?<br><br>In any case, I would appreciate if some of the 'platform' people could announce the new chat function?<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Mohamad Tarifi</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mohamad.tarifi@gmail.com" target="_blank">mohamad.tarifi@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:22 AM<br>Subject: WebConference Schedule for next week!<br>To: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
<br><br>Hello Mr Bauwens,<br><br>Thank you for accepting my invitation to join the discussion at our webconference on the Future of the Economy.<br><br>The sessions breakdown is a rough topic guide which we can go through at our own pace. <br>
This is the schedule for the first sessions of conference. <br><div>
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</div>Session Date<br>--------------------<br>We will hold the first session(s) of the Webconference on <b><br><br>Thursday August 4 - if you live in the US.<br>Friday August 5 - if you live in East Asia.</b><br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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<br>Time<br>--------<br>We have people joining from East Coast US, West Coast US, Thailand, and Korea.<br>Reasonable consensus starting time:<br><br><b>7am Thailand<br>10am Korea<br>8pm East Coast US<br>5pm West Coast US<br>
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<br><i>*If it's too early for Thailand, and East Coast US does not mind, we can make it 1 hour later.<br>*If this time will absolutely not work for you, please update me with your availability (including nights).<br>
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<br>Google+<br>------------<br>We will use Google+ Hangout <a href="http://plus.google.com/" target="_blank">http://plus.google.com</a><br>Please let me know if you need an invite or have any problems accessing the service.<br>
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<br>Please review the wiki page for the conference: <br><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Discussions_on_the_Future_of_the_Economy" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Discussions_on_the_Future_of_the_Economy</a><br>
<br>There are some interesting starting material, and <b>I encourage you to pick a topic to lead</b>.<br>
Please let me know if you have any concerns, comments, or suggestions.<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br><br><b>Please respond confirming that the schedule works for you.<br></b><br><br>Looking forward to a wonderful and insightful discussions!<br>
<br>Have a great day!<br>
<br>Best regards,<br><font color="#888888">Mohamad<br></font></div>
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