Always the way, no ?<div><br></div><div>Until things get to breaking points (which sometimes I think we should have seen a while ago, but the structures of our western societies are quite tenacious indeed ;-)</div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Jon<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Phoebe Moore <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pvm.doc@gmail.com">pvm.doc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Even if its true, you can think of these 50 guys as a kind of steering group. Running a &#39;Cooperative&#39; myself, I can tell you that it&#39;s only the same 6 people who really ever do anything. It&#39;s the way things go, I think.<br>

<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 31 July 2011 08:24, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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he&#39;s always been of the cynical type, I interviewed him for technocalyps, but he does mean well even that one is certainly sarcastic ... but the answer is of course a very clear no ... there is indeed a vast conspiracy out there ..<br>


<br>would be nice to find a volunteer to do a social network analysis on it ...<br><br>Michel<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Jon Husband <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jon.husband@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.husband@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">It would be nice to assume Bruce Sterling meant well .. ;-)<div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Arial,Helvetica,&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;,FreeSans,sans-serif;font-size:12.5px;color:rgb(68, 68, 68);line-height:22px"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;display:block;line-height:15px">



<span style="margin:0px;padding:0px"><a href="http://twitter.com/#%21/bruces" title="Bruce Sterling" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);text-decoration:none;font-weight:bold" target="_blank">bruces</a>�<span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(153, 153, 153);font-size:12px">Bruce Sterling</span>�</span><div style="margin:0px 10px 0px 0px;padding:0px;display:inline-block">



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<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Movements" rel="nofollow" title="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Movements/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Movements</a>�*I wonder if this vast, seething plethora of p2p movements are all the same fifty guys</div>



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