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<H1 class=yiv1135195867firstHeading id=yiv1135195867firstHeading>Multi-Dimensional Science</H1>
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<DIV><BR>The subject matter of this p2pfoundation entry deals with a new paradigm known as Multi-Dimensional Science, and is concerned with claimed psychic, and spiritual phenomena. </DIV>
<DIV>Any reader here who has, or is able to experience a range of "energies" notably seeing auras, subtle bodies, inner mystical sounds, and lights, et cetera would be welcomed if they contact me personally. I am seeking attempted descriptions of such "phenomena". Much of this data will probably come from various healing "fraternities" such as Reiki. </DIV>
<DIV>It is suspected that the best approach to the above is probably via direct phone contact rather than a simple public notice such as this.In spite of this, it is hoped that this public notice will elicit some response. </DIV>
<DIV>Furthermore, I am also on the lookout for anyone who may be willing to divulge contacts in connection with little known esoteric societies in Sufism, Hinduism, Judaism, Paganism, or any other tradition. Cooperation in all this would be gratefully acknowledged. </DIV>
<DIV>Inner mystical experiences via meditation are strictly speaking meant to be kept "secret," and the reasons for this can be various. Certain key ones appear in my Kheper essay.However, it should be stressed here that meditation followers of some esoteric society can be willing to put something of their experiences on the record, and the strictures in connection with non-disclosure maybe "non-existent" in certain cases. </DIV>
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<DIV>Anyway, my contact details are dharao4@yahoo.co.uk, or more rarely I use the following email address of robertsearle@live.co.uk (or via Facebook where I have a site) </DIV>
<DIV>All communications will be treated in strictest confidence. </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you, </DIV>
<DIV>Robert Searle. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Basic Introduction to Multi-Dimensional Science</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>Multi-Dimensional Science, or MDS represents a revolutionary approach towards a more objective understanding of claimed psychic, and spiritual phenomena.The ideas notably appeared on the kheper website run by Alan Kazlev, an authority on all things "esoteric". The link is as follows. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>The "Science" word in MDS is ofcourse used in an entirely provisional sense.The subject can thus be known as the Multi-Dimensional Hypothesis,or MDH. This is arguably a more accurate term. At present, it is purely at the "pseudo-scientific" stage of evolution. </DIV>
<DIV>The words "Multi-Dimensional" have been criticized but in this context it clearly implies claimed psychic, and spiritual dimensions, or worlds variously called spheres, planes of existence, higher realms, et al. They could be seen as being akin to a certain extent with "scientific" concepts of anti-matter worlds,parallel universes, the multi-verse, and ofcourse the fourth (or the fifth, sixth, or more) dimension(s). </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B>Important to Understand, and Appreciate.</B> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Most of all that follows is highly speculative, and theoretical. Unfortunately, this is unavoidable due the nature of the subject in hand. Understandably, many mainstream scientists would regard MDS as nonsense, and too New Agey to have any credence. A few may be able to take it more seriously. Many of the things said here may come across a little dogmatic but this is not intentional. But, it is not always easy to describe "concepts" such as these in neutral terms. </DIV>
<DIV>Anyhow, let us try if possible to proceed with an open-mind. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>The Aim of the Multi-Dimensional Paradigm.</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>The basic aim of Multi-Dimensional Science, or MDS is to prove albeit indirectly the existence of so-called non-physical psychic/spiritual energies, and the claimed realities in which they are said to exist. If possible, and if it can be done within the context of a new version of the scientific method it would probably have untold benefits for physics,biology,psychology,psychiatry, parapsychology,et al. This in itself is a huge subject...infinite like the universe, and with infinite implications for humanity. </DIV>
<DIV>Most of what follows is essentially theoretical as already indicated, and would require in the goodness of time to be "proved" as far as possible via research, and experimentation. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>The Basic Methodology of MDS</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>There are five methodological steps in the process of "objectifying" the claimed "subjective" encounters of the unseen psycho-spiritual universe. Since what we are discussing are claimed to be non-physical energies it should be obvious that we cannot use normal "scientific" protocol as they are physically undetectable in the main unless they temporarily "materialize" within the electro-magnetic spectrum of the physical universe. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Anyway, the methods of research, and ultimately experimentation, are as follows. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>i) Finding MDOs, or Multi-Dimensional Observers would be necessary, and a special directory could be created. These are specific psychics, and mystics who claim to have inner experiences of a range of non-physical phenomena. They would notably include the manifestations of claimed ethereal sounds,and lights. They may among other things be able to view the so-called subtle body, auras,discarnate entities, symbolic imagery, et cetera. Such data would in Western Philosophy be regarded as a form of phenomenology a concept notably offered by Edmund Husserl. Ofcourse,it should be added that people could be trained to become "reliable" MDOs via some form of meditation/out-of-the body "technology," or "technologies". </DIV>
<DIV><BR>ii) A simple questionaire would probably be used first to ask MDOs what they experience. A detailed one would follow. The aim of this is to see how many obscure pieces of data are independently corroborated beyond the laws of mathematical chance. In other words, we have as it were "objective" non-physical phenomena which may not be the product of subjective imagination of the MDO. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>iii) Such attempted descriptions of "higher worlds", and their "higher energies" are translated from words into images. This could ofcourse appear on a computer. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>iv) Mathematical models,and theories could then be created. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>v) On the basis of step iv experiments could be undertaken to see how reliable, and objective the initial data really is. If all things go to plan we would have an approach in which we could understand on a more scientific basis the actual workings of claimed psycho-spiritual energies in both man, and the universe. This would be a huge step forward, and would have profound implications for the arts, and the sciences. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>Multi-Dimensional Science represents the Complete System.</B> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>The idea of trying to marry science with esoteric mysticism, and religion is in itself nothing new. However, Goethean "Science", and Rudolf Steiner with his "super-sensible" perceptions held such notions.But what is so unique with MDS is that we have for the first time the <I>Complete System</I> to achieve it.This could well be a big step forward... </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Anyway, the idea of using mathematics to describe "higher worlds" is nothing new (eg. Jewish Mysticism).The notion of trying to turn unseen realities, and energies into pictures is likewise (eg. Charles Leadbeater, and his famous images of the subtle bodies, and their auras). Similiarly, questionaires have been used to find out what people encounter during out-of-body experiences, or OOBEs, and so-called religious (or rather mystical) experiences have been undertaken by a number of individuals, and organizations (eg. the Sir Alistair Hardys Religious Experience Research Centre).This again is nothing new.Also,the use of psychics to try, and discover "secret knowledge"(eg. Besant, and Leadbeater in their clairvoyant reseaches into chemistry)and so-called "occult powers" is once again nothing new (eg. Reichenbach, and the Odic Force). </DIV>
<DIV><BR>What is new, and actually revolutionary is that MDS ofcourse tries to bring together the four above approaches into one complete system. Professor Tarts State-Specific Science,or S-SS comes close to it, but does not go far enough, and is hence,incomplete. </DIV>
<DIV>Some people would argue that Quantum Physics is enough to explain paranormal phenomena. This ofcourse is incorrect because "mainstream" parapsychology is incomplete without MDS.The latter is the "missing link" in the theoretical side of the former..and may someday be taken more seriously. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>Describing the "Indescribable"?</B> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Many psychics (concerned mainly with psychic unfoldment), and mystics (concerned with spiritual/Self unfoldment) have at times found it difficult to put into words their inner experiences of "higher worlds". Quite often they may resort to using symbolism of one form, or another. This is notably true of genuine mystic meditators of some esoteric tradition. It would appear that those following a bona fide mystical path involving entrance into higher planes of conciousness, or Altered States of Conciousness (or ASCs) claim that the power to describe things accurately, and clearly "progressively" diminishes. However, whatever can be recorded could still have scientific validity. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Much relies on the literal, and/or symbolic descriptive powers of the MDOs (irrespective of whether they are psychics, or mystic meditators) concerned. Yet,inevitably there will be "things" which can never be described at all. These would be indicated via the questionaires, (which can incidently become more elaborate after the initial questions) and ultimately via the mathematical models. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Interfacing with the Physical,and Non-Physical</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>If MDOs can collectively produce reliable data about the energies in, or around physical objects, and people it would be possible to measure them scientifically using physical instruments. For example, a microscope could be used to examine in detail certain materials, and tested.Reliable MDOs should in theory be able to largely come up with the same data concerning their non-physical psychic structure, and eneriges. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>In another example, person may be able to produce claimed psychic rays from his, or her body. This could be accurately measured using some kind of physical instrument(s) with the help of what MDOs see, and may hear psychically in non-physical dimensions (ie.clairaudience). </DIV>
<DIV><BR>A similiar process to the above could be had in which physical objects do not exist. In other words, research, and experimentation in the "other world".Thus, wholly non-physical "measurements" and other "quantifiable" findings could be recorded to a limited extent. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Another problem which would probably be met with is this. Groups of MDOs may describe the same "energies" differently irrespective of whether they are focussed on something physical, or not. This suggests that they may see the supersensory "energies" of the same physical, or non-physical object(s), or person(s) at different levels of conciousness in different planes/sub-planes. Hence, the variations in the appearances of such "energies" maybe different. In certain cases they may be purely, or partly illusionary self-projections. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>What we are also indicating here is that the science of the future will become increasingly more humanized, and less objective in the normal scientific sense. By "humanized" we are implying ofcourse that tested MDOs, or "special" people would become more, and more a part of the experimental process gradually unlocking the secrets of the physical, and non-physical universe. Again, it should be re-iterated that MDS offers for the first time the <I>Complete System</I> to achieve this. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>A Note. It should perhaps be added that there is belief largely founded, or unfounded that these subtle psychic energies may also exist as a) the finest forms of energy existing to a certain extent in the physical universe either temporarily, or permanently, and b) that they could be detectable to some degree with certain kinds of physical instruments. This in itself is a big subject, and one is reminded here of the work of the physicist William Tiller, and the independent researcher Harry Oldfield, and the controversial claims of Kirlian Photography. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>However, it should be noted that MDS tends in the main to go beyond this "limited" approach because it believes that it may be dealing with higher non-physical energies (ie undetectable altogether by normal means), and hence, this knowledge would arguably have greater psychic, and spiritual benefits than dealing with low level energies that may be detectable, or become detectable, or "materialized" in the material world. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>Basic Theoretical Concepts of Higher Worlds, and Higher Energies</B> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Many mystical, and psychic writings claim that there are a series of higher worlds, and hence, higher energies in the non-physical Universe. Such psychic/spiritual cosmologies have often been illustrated as a set of seven or more lines either in concentric, or linear forms. They are on occassions sub-divided into smaller worlds, or sub-planes (of a plane). On occasion they are shown concentrically around our planet earth, and extent ultimately into infinity. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>There are a number of hermetic/alchemical texts which notably illustrate higher planes of existence as being concentric. Certain Buddhist depictions of the "after-life" realms indicate a linear, or concentric set of worlds, or planes. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>In the Alice Bailey Teachings there is a scheme of spiritual cosmology in which there is in each plane a division of seven sub-planes.The reality of the situation is probably that there are an infinite number of planes, and sub-planes, and their number tends to vary from one esoteric, and/or mythological source to another. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>It is said that as one ascends from one higher reality to another it becomes increasingly brighter, and there is growing expansion of super-conciousness, or mystical experience. Moreover, the energies of each succeeding plane, and indeed, each sub-plane become increasingly subtle. The content of such visionary ascents can as one progresses "upwards" become more difficult, or impossible at times to describe in the language of this world. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>In relation to our physical world of the five limited senses, such realms could arguably exist as energies having a vibratory rate faster than the speed of light. Thus, ofcourse, they would transcend time, and space as we would understand it. Moreover, it is also believed that they may exist, and interact in other ways conceivable, and inconceivable in relation to our visible world. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>The "Highest Truth", and "Objectivity"?</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>One advanced understanding of these other planes,or dimensions of Being are to be found in Sant Mat as propounded notably by the Radhasoami Faith. It claims among other things that most religions, and mystical sects reach only the lower worlds mistaking them to be the highest where true "God-Realization" or "salvation" occurs from reincarnation. Through meditation known as Surat Shabd Yoga the aspirant can "die while living" and gain contact to the higher worlds via the propulsion power of inner Light, and inner Sound. At the same time, the Radiant Form of the living Master acts as the inner Guide. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>The point of all this is that the spiritual cosmology as revealed in Sant Mat (notably in the writings of Prof Puri published by Radha Soami Satsang Beas) give not only the claimed major Sounds, and Lights of each of the higher worlds, or planes but also their key "symbolic" sights. Thus, we have in effect an actual "road-map" to "salvation",or "God-Realization". </DIV>
<DIV><BR>However, as with most forms of mysticism whether they be of Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or whatever origin knowledge concerning the inner experiences of ones meditation are kept private as they are not of this world, and cannot at times be accurately described.In other words, they are for the awakening intuition, and not for the limited mind... </DIV>
<DIV><BR>In spite of this from the MDS perspective they would still have some scientific value if the practioner is willing to disclose his, or her inner experiences for comparative analysis via questionaires. It is known however that the initial experiences of Shabd Yoga compared with "lesser" systems are independently corroborative, and hence, indicate their "objective" character. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>To complicate matters further, there are those mystics from both East, and West who would perhaps argue that there are no set sequences of Lights, and Sounds, or in indeed, key sights on the way "up" to the "highest" plane. These may even be regarded as being largely, or wholly the projections of the mind! Whether this is true, or false is essentially an open question which will probably never be solved by natural means, or ofcourse by MDS itself. It is likely that the "other world" exists in an infinite number of ways conceivable, and/or largely inconceivable. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>More importantly, mysticism both East, and West would probably argue that direct personal experience proves that higher worlds exist(irrespective of whether they have a set "road-map" to "God", or not) via some form of meditation and is thus far more important than the kind of possible studies, and experiments of MDS. This is probably true but peoples minds are becoming increasingly complicated, and they are not so easily satisfied by such a "simplistic" approach. Thus, MDS has it own role to play in the scheme of things. But it can never really substitute direct inner experience. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>Subtle Bodies, or Vehicles of Conciousness</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>A key feature in occult, or esoteric lore is the concept of subtle bodies (which also appears in the Radhasoami Faith). Here we need to imagine the possibility of the human being consisting of a set of subtle bodies simultaneously existing in a number of planes of existence but "working" all together to a certain extent as if they were one. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>It should also be said here that these forms have special centres, or what in the East are referred to as chakras which can be translated as "wheels" which are to a degree replicated in the higher bodies. These involve the transmissions of psychological energies in the literal sense existing in the subconcious, and unconcious parts of the human psyche. They manifest as inner subtle lights, and sounds, and have direct connections to various planes, and sub-planes. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Anyway, to return to the subtle bodies per se. The first of them traditionally is the etheric (or "health")body existing in the etheric world. Then there is the so-called astral, or emotional body inhabiting the plane of emotions. Next the mental body which inhabits the mental plane. Then, the the higher mental body which ofcourse exists in the higher mental plane. Finally, there is the Soul "Body" which is who, or what we really are but is largely controlled by the lower emotional, and mental body. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Meditation, and the Chandian Effect.</B> </DIV>
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<DIV>Meditation of one sort, or another, and pure living is the means by which people can let the Light of the Soul shine through them more, and more, and gain greater mastery over the lower subtle bodies, or "forces" of the human being. The Soul is said to be a part of God, or the Absolute Reality, and is sometimes referred to as our God-Self or Higher Self which can manifest Itself independently of the lower self, and can act as a Spiritual Guide, or manifest It-Self as the Ishta Dev (or Chosen Ideal such as Buddha, Christ, or some Guru etc) in the inner journey during meditation, or after death. This sometimes referred to Atma-Lila, or the Play of Self. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>A respected mystic of Shabd Yoga called Faqir Chand claimed that though he was meant to be the physical "omniscient" manifestation of God he was unaware of his disciples experiences concerning their contact notably of his Radiant Form during meditation, or in some "outer," and/or inner miraculous happening.In Sant Mat this would have arguably implied that he was an "imperfect" master but he found that others like himself were also seemingly unaware of their disciples inner experiences. He came to conclusion that it was the FAITH, AND BELIEF of the followers enabled them to have the inner, and outer phenomena connected with him. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Essentially,Chand claimed that the inner Radiant Form was actually the manifestation of the disciples Higher Self taking on the appearance of their Master (ie. Chand as the Ishta Dev, or Chosen Ideal). The implications of this are remakable because it also implies that a "criminal" teacher, or guru could also do the same thing. Yet, the disciple would still benefit spiritually...... </DIV>
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<DIV>All this seems to indicate that powerful "subjective" dynamics are involved which are to varying degree projected (from a lower, or higher part of ones self, or selves, or indeed, ones Higher Self in the case of the so-called Chandian Effect described)into an "objective" psycho-spiritual universe. This is notably true in spiritualist literature in which the "dead" conciously, or unconciously create their surrounding world to some extent with their "thought-energy." This factor has always to be taken into account into the "objective" investigations into psychic, and spiritual phenomomena using MDOs. </DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B>The Association for Multi-Dimensional Science.</B> </DIV>
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<DIV><BR>MDS is not just concerned about mysticism but also parapsychology, or psychical research as it used to be commonly called. It may be that with the aid of MDOs we would be able to understand, and even improve the development of a whole range of alleged psychic powers such as telepathy, psychokinesis, astral travel, precognition, clairvoyance, et al. Such "pseudo-scientific" subjects are slowly becoming to be taken more seriously through the long march of human intellectual, and scientific evolution. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>However, most forms of mysticism per se sees these so-called powers, or siddhis (to use the Sanskrit term) as largely being unimportant, and possibly an obstacle from the direct path of "God-Realization", or "salvation," or "ultimate enligtenment". </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Anyway, what is needed in the future is an Association for Multi-Dimensional Science,or AMS as explained in the kheper essay (edited version) on the subject.. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>"...It (ie AMS)would have the following basic aims:- </DIV>
<DIV><BR>It would continue to search out willing MDOs for possible studies, and experiments (mainly drawn probably from the psychic healing groups). </DIV>
<DIV><BR>It would try to build an ever-expanding directory of Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Judaic, Shinto, Sufi, and other mystical sects. This in itself would require detective work as most of them do not advertize themselves. This would involve i) contacting scholars, and writers ii) the internet iii) interfaith organisations iv) charity registers v) esoteric magazines vi) existing directories....and so on. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>The need for on-going research, and development into a general theory, or working hypothesis of the Unseen Universe would be necessary. This would involve ideas from Theosophy, the Alice Bailey Teachings, Spiritualism, Maharishis Vedic Science, and Technology, Pearsons Survival Physics, Bohms Implicate Order,and the like. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>As well as this concepts from "mainstream" science would have to be included such as Quantum Mechanics (often used by some scientists, and others as adding credence to the possibility of psychic powers), the Multi-verse, the Fourth Dimension, Tachyons, et al. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Finally, it must be remembered that the proposed Multi-Dimensional Science probably cannot give totally "provable" answers as to what the ultimate nature and purpose of Truth is really all about. It is quite possible that there are no absolute truths, and that the universe is itself infinite. Science can only go so far, and at the end of the day it is arguably our own personal experience that really matters. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Finally, MDS is a huge subject, and what has been presented cannot do it true justice. There are many many aspects to it...." </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Feedback is always welcome. </DIV>
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