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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=076072413-20072011>Hi
Michel,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=076072413-20072011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=076072413-20072011>I love
the typo in the subject line...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=076072413-20072011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=076072413-20072011>Much
merriment if one carries forward a similar change through the text
:)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=076072413-20072011></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=076072413-20072011>M</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>From:
p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org
[mailto:p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org] On Behalf Of Michel
Bauwens<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Sent: <?xml:namespace prefix =
st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:date Month="7"
Day="20" Year="2011">Wednesday, July 20, 2011</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="1"
Minute="37">1:37 AM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>To:
p2p-foundation<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Subject: [P2P-F] an update on
fon open wife<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Michiel de Jong
<michiel@unhosted.org> Jul <st1:time Hour="17" Minute="0">05
10:13PM</st1:time> +0200 ^<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>this has some info
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15194360,00.html<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>and this is relevant to the
topic:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>so there are two problems with
open wife:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>- the wife protocol does not
have a safe way of being open. it is either<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>encrypted and closed, or open
and unencrypted. This means that open wife<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>routers suffer from poor
security for all protocols except ones that are<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>themselves secure, like vpn,
ssh and https.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>- it is (at least in some
countries) illegal to give connectivity to<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>strangers, or at least, it
makes you partly responsible for the behaviour of<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>those strangers. this is absurd
- it is like if you allow people to walk<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>over your land, and a bank
robber uses that path to get away, you become<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>responsible for helping that
bank robber get away over your land. Afaik such<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>rules do not apply to when you
allow people to use a path over your land,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>but it apparently does apply if
you allow people a path over your router.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Anyway, what i understand is
that since Fon is a closed club of people (only<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Fon owners can use other Fon
access points), it's like those cigar bars that<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>evade the non-smoking policy
because they are a 'members club' instead of a<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>bar.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Instead of blocking these
efforts, governments should take an example from<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal><st1:country-region><st1:place>Estonia</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
a country that understood that universal wife is a good thing for
a<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>civilized country - something
like universal education, health care<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>etcetera.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"
class=MsoNormal>http://news.cnet.com/Estonia-sets-shining-Wi-Fi-example/2010-7351_3-5924673.html<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>HTH<o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Michiel</P>-- <BR>P2P
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