ok, sorry for the misunderstanding,<br><br>so, we will feature it once as book of the week, but we can always return to specialized treatments on topics that concern you later as well,<br><br>if we can help with garnering support for stage 3, we will try!!<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Sandwichman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lumpoflabor@gmail.com">lumpoflabor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
My manuscript did previously have a different working title, "The Gift of Prosperity," which I changed to "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line" after a major revision last October in which I promoted the discussion of social accounting and the labor commons to much greater prominence in the structure. The "two books" are really two versions of the same book. It might actually be worthwhile in the third talk for me to discuss the events around that revision because I think it relates directly to the issue of bringing people into the "next stage" in the process, which would be a collaborative research stage.<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Sandwichman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lumpoflabor@gmail.com" target="_blank">lumpoflabor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks for setting up the pages. A clarification: I have written only one book. There is an excerpt/digest from that book that is forthcoming as a chapter in an anthology but it is still just the one book. <br><div><div>
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear Tom,<br><br>I find this a very fruitful direction of inquiry, very in tune with the general idea of the commons,<br><br>I created the book entry here: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Jobs,_Liberty_and_the_Bottom_Line" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Jobs,_Liberty_and_the_Bottom_Line</a> and gave it a place here as well, <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Labor" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Labor</a><br>
<br>What about your other book?<br><br>Feel free to improve and amend all of the above; in particular, our labor section could use quite a bit of improvement,<br><br>Orsan and Walton are young p2p labour activists, and Phoebe a labour researcher, who could be interested in your work as well;<br>
<br>You are listed here, <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Oriented_Economists" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Oriented_Economists</a>; any suggestions for other interesting people, thanks for letting me know,<br>
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<br>Michel</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Sandwichman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lumpoflabor@gmail.com" target="_blank">lumpoflabor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Michel,<br><br>Below I have pasted an 813 word overview of the logic of my inquiry and the problem I am seeking to address in my book (there is only one, not two). <br><br>Tom<br><br>
<p class="MsoNormal">The issue I grapple with in <i>Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line </i>is not so much "what is the
best remedy for unemployment" or even "what is the case for shorter
working time" but why and how has one particular set of policy options
been excluded from the mainstream discourse. Of course that possibly translates
into "why is the <i>best</i> remedy the
forbidden one?" </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps as much as or even more than problem solving, I am fascinated
by the notion of taboo and its functioning as <i>unwritten</i> prohibition. How is the elusive ban transmitted and
enforced in the absence of explicit instructions for such transmission and
enforcement? The answer is through stock narratives that operate virtually as
rituals, ignoring conflicting facts, inassimilable scientific theories and appalling
outcomes.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With regard to working time, academic economics has fostered
the notion of a self-adjusting, individual choice-driven natural order in which
the given hours of work are presumed to be optimal and any interference will
lead to a decline in welfare. There are only three or four problems with this tale
of a miraculous automatism. The canonical income-leisure choice model upon
which it is based has no pedigree in economic theory and has been refuted by
the empirical data. The idea is inconsistent with the established and
authoritative theory of the hours of labor, presented by S.J. Chapman over a
hundred years ago. And the strange "lump of labor" fallacy <i>claim</i> � an alleged belief by shorter
work time policy advocates in a "fixed amount of work," which is routinely
invoked to disparage dissenters � was decisively refuted as itself a fallacy nearly
a century ago.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One would think that with three strikes against it, the
conventional wisdom hours of work and employment would be ripe for
reconsideration. But, no, the impasse seems as formidable as ever, with calls
for work time reduction relegated to the fringe of policy debate, even in the
face of economic crisis, unacceptably high and persistent unemployment and the
discrediting of formerly respectable economic myths about efficient markets and
the "great moderation."</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My approach to the issue of work time reduction and its
taboo has led me down two tracks. One was recovering and documenting the body
of economic thought suppressed by the fallacy claim and/or displaced by the textbook
dogma that has grown up around income-leisure choice. The other was tracing the
substance and history of the fallacy claim itself. That process has led me to a
rather unexpected revelation of what the elusive "lump" in the fallacy
claim actually stands for: the commons.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In retrospect, it seems simple. If dogmatic political economy
is understood as striving to vindicate the rights of property, then the
violence of primitive accumulation and enclosure of the commons can only stand
as an embarrassment and impediment to that goal � one that must be shunned,
evaded and denied. Investigating the taboo on "work sharing" also
highlights something about traditional attitudes toward work as a communal
activity that has been obscured by the now prevailing industrial-era innovation
of wage labor.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not only is it perfectly <i>reasonable</i>
� and not fallacious � to think in terms of sharing the work, it was formerly ingrained
and virtually unthinkable socially to do otherwise. This is not to say that the
institutions for carrying out such sharing were necessarily ideal or equitable,
or that those institutions <i>should</i>
have survived the industrialization that finished them off. The lesson we can
take from these archaic institutions, though, is that the individualized
commodity form of wage labor is not the only or necessarily the best way of
organizing and compensating work.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The labor commons that I propose in <i>Jobs, Liberty
and the Bottom Line</i> is thus not an entirely new idea but is rooted in
traditional practices and institutions such as the quilting bee, barn raising
and medieval guilds. It is also foreshadowed in the contradictory nature of the
modern division of labor and wage system itself, in that the determination of
who <i>does</i> what and who <i>gets paid</i> how much is inevitably
controversial and unstable. Early trade unionism, in sharp contrast to today's
trade union bureaucracy, took much of its impetus from the much maligned commons
view of work, which Samuel Gompers summed up in the phrase: "That so long
as there is one man who seeks employment and cannot obtain it, the hours of
labor are too long." </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My innovation is to animate the labor commons through a new
accounting technique � a method of social accounting that takes into explicit
account the effects of work-time variation and distribution on social
productivity. The calculations that need to be performed for this new social
accounting for time are conceptually easy to explain but operationally complex
enough to be feasible only with the advent of the personal computer and availability
of spreadsheet programs. Moreover, the technology lends itself to a
deliberative solution, rather than to the dictate of experts.</p><div><div></div><div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
perhaps what would be useful to start with, as our audience doesn't know you, is the total logic of your work, i.e. why are you writing those 2 books specifically, 'what problem are you trying to solve' and who are you 'debating' with ...<br>
<br>later on, we can give more extensive treatment of your books in our book of the week program, if you're interested,<br><br>this involves 3 presentations per book, on a given week, with a general presentation followed by 2 significant experts,<br>
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<br>Michel</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Sandwichman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lumpoflabor@gmail.com" target="_blank">lumpoflabor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Thanks, Michel I'll work up a brief outline.<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog ...<br>
<br>I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself,<br><font color="#888888">
<br>Michel<br><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lumpoflabor@gmail.com" target="_blank">lumpoflabor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Michel et al., <br><br>In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.<br>
<br><a href="http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html" target="_blank">http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html</a><br><br>best<br><br>Tom Walker<br><br>
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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thanks Juliet, already very useful,<br><font color="#888888"><br>Michel</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:juliet.schor@bc.edu" target="_blank">juliet.schor@bc.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Michel<div><br></div><div>A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome.</div>
<div>My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>
Juliet</div></font><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,<br><br>Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?<br>
<br>As far as� I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,<br>
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