I find this a very satisfying way to put the issues in a frame ...<br><br>I've always claimed that peer production is object-oriented (your point 1), and creates governance and property structure for the protection of equipotential participation and universal usage (your point 2)<br>
<br>excessive democratic governance, say a version of point 2, can impede the productivity of point 1<br><br>perhaps this is why in war, tribal societies create warchiefs, who lost their power when they returned to the village, which had a different objective ...<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xekoukou@gmail.com">xekoukou@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
If we dont differentiate between the 2 different reasons which influence the organizational structure of Society, we will always fight with each other on this issue.<div><br></div><div>1. We should have a structure that�is Productive. In this Context, the problem to be solved defines the structure.</div>
<div>�</div><div>2. If someone's actions have an impact on someone's else life there should be a mechanism to control this impact.</div><div><br></div><div>If we accept 1 and not 2, we are very efficient for those that control the structure. ex. TODAY.</div>
<div>If we accept 2 and not 1, we are all equally poor and that will be a reason to revert to accepting 1 and not 2.</div><div><br></div><div>What we should do is stop fighting about what is the best 1 or 2, and start finding secure mechanisms that will allow us to have both 1 and 2.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Eve is amazing, by the way. Whoever has time could read some of the stories that took place there. They are highly entertaining.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
2011/7/13 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">see <a href="http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/07/eve-online-audience-with-the-king-of-space/" target="_blank">http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/07/eve-online-audience-with-the-king-of-space/</a><br>
<br> Autocracy is the most effective form of government in null sec [the
enormous sections of space within Eve Online with no AI police, where
players rule themselves]. Council systems don�t work very well.
Goonswarm is very lucky in that we have one large corporation,
Goonwaffe, which used to be Goonfleet, which is mostly Something Awful
members and has over 2,000 people. Since I�m the CEO of that corporation
all the other ancillary corporations in the alliance are relatively
powerless, and that works towards an autocracy. Council-based alliances
typically have corporations of roughly the same size.<br><br>(I actually agree with this, in case of warfare, even egalitarian tribes had warchiefs for the duration of hostilities; or does anyone want to challenge thi?)<br clear="all">
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