<div>Hi Michel, Franz, & Georg,</div><div>Greetings Andreas Laurent & Tim,</div><div><br></div>Usually a barter currency is mutual credit, which means it isn't backed by assets.<div>A currency which is backed by assets is a commodity currency. You can only issue as much money as you have have assets.</div>
<div>Or some arbitrary multiple thereof!</div><div>So I would question the use of the expression 'barter currency' here.</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew</div><div><a href="http://communityforge.net">communityforge.net</a><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 April 2011 22:37, Dante-Gabryell Monson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, sounds like a nice set of initiates to me.</font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yet, Small note regarding the barter currency they propose, "co</font><span style="font-family:Verdana">vered/guaranteed by the jointly-owned assets."</span><div>
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I remember discussing such approach in the past.</font></div><div>
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">In my current understanding , such asset ( such as shares ? ) guaranteed currency is perhaps an approach taken to create an incentive to invest in the local economy ?</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">May be worth asking... I cc Tim Reeves.</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Yet I feel that such approach to currency can be risky as it can lead to the monopolization of assets into the hands of a minority, hence having the whole regional economy owned by a small minority on the medium to long term ?</font></div>
<div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">As far as I remember, although I have no references to provide ( would need to ask Bernard Lietaer ),</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">in Belgium at least, I heard that unless one has a special status such as a bank,</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">one can not operate a currency with euro equivalence exchangeable�for euros, unless there is 100 percent euro backing in reserves, such as is the case with the german regio/freigeld currency called "chiemgauer"�</font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiemgauer" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiemgauer</a></div>
<div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiemgauer" target="_blank"></a><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif">and/or the JAK bank in Sweden�</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAK_members_bank" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAK_members_bank</a></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If their barter currency is solely for their internal local economy, with no possibility for exchanging for euros ( purchasing outside of their local economy ), I do not understand why they would not have it in a fiat mutual credit form, such as WIR, with participants choosing the percentage of their monetary transaction they wish to be done in mutual credit ( such as WIR ) ?</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIR_Bank" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIR_Bank</a></font></div>
<div><a href="http://wn.com/WIR_Bank" target="_blank">http://wn.com/WIR_Bank</a></div><div><font face="Verdana"><br></font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><br>
</font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
HI Franz,<br><br>any perspectives on this?<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><div></div><div>On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-family:Verdana"><a href="http://regional-economic-communities.info/" target="_blank">http://regional-economic-communities.info/</a></span></div>
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Date: Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM<br>Subject: Regional Economic Communities<br>To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>><br><br><br>
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Dear friends and acquaintances,<br>
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I just put together a <u>one-time</u> mailing list of the english
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The concept presents a complete � and radically new � paradigm
for regional communities, linking together commercial,
sustainable and social aspects. It describes a means for normal
citizens to become joint owners of local, sustainably-run
businesses. It then introduces a barter currency, the Grok,
which is independent of national currency and covered by the
jointly-owned assets.<br>
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While thus apparently being a primarily economic paradigm, it's
essence and motivation come from a spiritual perspective and in
practice great value is put on the way we interact with each
other, and to integrating personal growth and the furthering of
interpersonal skills into the daily working life.<br>
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all the many endeavours to achieve that aim which are now being
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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">The quality of the time in
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