<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">in some way similar? Only in the store and forward sense of making the next hop. Randy bush was backbacking around south america in the 1980s doing uucp and then fido, dave hughes did fido with big sky telegraph, i carried a 9600 baud modem to moscow for one of the first russian fidos.<div><br></div><div>wireless mesh is MUCH faster BUT although i'd like to see it happen i doubt that it will ever be globally routable. sascha, do you agree or not? If anyone thinks it can be globally routable please tell me how.<br><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Sepp Hasslberger wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; ">FidoNet is a point-to-point and store-and-forward email WAN which uses </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; ">modems on the direct-dial telephone network. It was developed in 1984, and </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; ">has over 20,000 public nodes worldwide.</span></div><div><br></div>"FidoNet has been owned and operated primarily by end-users and hobbyists more than by computer professionals. Therefore, social and political issues arose in FidoNet far faster and more seriously than might be expected by those raised in other network cultures."<div><br></div><div>( this was written in 1992 and is quoted from <a href="http://www.fidonet.org/inet92_Randy_Bush.txt">http://www.fidonet.org/inet92_Randy_Bush.txt</a> )</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">It would seem that there are at least some parallels, and that FidoNet, although technologically quite different from what we have today, was in some way a predecessor to the local mesh networks that are being established here and there.<br><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">Sepp</div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true"><br></div><br><div><div>On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 03/18/2011 03:58 PM, Michael Gurstein wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Why don't we ask an expert... Sascha, any comments.<br></blockquote><br>It's on the decline, but still alive (<a href="http://fidonet.org/">fidonet.org</a> I think). The<br>decentralization is similar to some of the community LAN and wireless<br>technologies, but I wouldn't say Fidonet was a precursor (technologically<br>speaking). Its hayday was 1980s/90s, but the Web pretty much crushed it over time.<br><br>--Sascha<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Best,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">M<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> -----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> *From:* Michel Bauwens [mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com]<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:49 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> *To:* Michael Gurstein<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> *Cc:* p2p-foundation; Sepp Hasslberger; <a href="mailto:armin@easynet.co.uk">armin@easynet.co.uk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> *Subject:* Fidonet in community wireless projects?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Interesting question, does anyone have the answer?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I'll relay to FAcebook,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Michel<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> From: *Facebook* <<a href="mailto:update+pjiidwm@facebookmail.com">update+pjiidwm@facebookmail.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <mailto:update%2Bpjiidwm@facebookmail.com>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Date: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:41 AM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Subject: Lorraine Lee commented on your link.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> To: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> facebook<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com">http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Hi Michel,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Lorraine Lee commented on your link.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Lorraine wrote: "Whatever happened to Fidonet? Is the dna of fidonet alive<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> in some of there community wireless projects we keep hearing about?"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> See the comment thread<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com">http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Reply to this email to comment on this link.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Thanks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> The Facebook Team<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> See Comment<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com">http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=528245547&v=wall&story_fbid=202735439755014&mid=3ecb58eG1f7c632bGe0a39e0Ge&bcode=BnpORHc7&n_m=michelsub2004%40gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> The message was sent to <a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>. 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