thanks Orsan, reading with great interest,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan@tie-netherlands.nl">orsan@tie-netherlands.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I ll give it a try:<br>
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Austerity cuts will not aim de-growth or something like that, it clearly aims rearrangement the path that will take us to the growth, with acceleration if possible.<br>
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Cuts also means less spending and effort on research and development for transition to alternative/green economy base, if it is intended at all.<br>
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Both will be an outcome of [capitalist] intra-class struggle over the state.<br>
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Transition movement and labour class have common interst both in transtion to an alternative socio economic cultural reality and more people and planet focused use of peoples money [or crystilised value created by poeple].<br>
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So common strategy needs to be based on reclaiming the state, its organisational transition, so in this way pushing the cracks of the system further -to brake it down, in order to bring about an immedate systemic alteration.<br>
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just as starting thoughts.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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Quoting Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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Dear friends,<br>
<br>
I have some difficulty in articulating the following issue, and hope you can<br>
help me in framing this in the right way,<br>
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so, here is the problem,<br>
<br>
on the one hand, we have a classic systemic 'end of wave' crisis of<br>
capitalism, a bail-out of the financial class and austerity measures imposed<br>
on working people to fund it, hence, a natural mobilization to defend the<br>
population against those cuts by 'getting the money where it is'<br>
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on the other hand, we have a much more systemic systemic crisis due to<br>
climate change, peak oil, etc ... and we have forces such as the transition<br>
movement, these people are saying, it's useless to fight the cuts, they<br>
reflect the end of growth, etc .. �in one of the articles I read, I forgot<br>
about which town, you could see how these people were talking to the<br>
austerity-minded cost-cutting conservative city hall while there was a<br>
massive mobilization of the anti-cuts movement going on,<br>
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so, we have 2 contradictory realities, yes, the current austerity is fake<br>
and the money is there but captured by the elite, but, yes, the deeper<br>
crisis is also there and we have to think about changing our economic system<br>
more fundamentally, and part of this is indeed changing the growth system,<br>
etc ..<br>
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my hunch is that it is essential to be in solidarity with the workers and<br>
citizens in the anti-cuts movement, but this somewhat reflective attitude<br>
needs an add-on, a broader context, that reflects the second truth, but<br>
without putting us on the side of the plutocracy in justifying the cuts ..<br>
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so, how to formulate the right frame that honours both truths?<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
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