thanks for the perspective Athina, I'm glad that the project is progressing!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:athina.k@gmail.com">athina.k@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Michel,<div><br></div><div>To add to Mathieu's email. <div><br></div><div>Obviously the journal is not a software type project to be releasing things as we go along different versions hoping people will improve or patch etc. It would be quite bizarre if we just published papers in the public side of the site before they are reviewed and ready to be read, debated etc. Not only bizarre but not respectful to the authors which submit their work. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Also, this is a project built on consensus and dialogue and it does take time to achieve what people need/want. There isnt just one person dictating to others what to do in form of 'suggestions' or being the sole developer with a dozen highly skilled people to filter code through. It is quite different if you get me. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I think Michel that you might have confused the journal with a blog or wiki where we ll just publish anything instantly. It takes time. </div><div><br></div><div>I believe we are close to having an inaugural issue soon and I dont think the public cares how long it took or the internal debates, unless they are some kind of student researching the creation of journals or sth like that, in which case they can contact us to get the info or we can write a piece on that issue for your p2p blog if it is interesting to you in particular.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you would like to advertise the journal you are part of perhaps it d pay to wait until it is actually published. Then any issues can be discussed then rather than preemptively.</div><div><br></div>
<div>I am not sure as I said that it is interesting to people to hear about a journal which is not out yet. Sounds there arent enough news on p2p to me if thats whats new these days : )</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
<div><br></div><div>Athina</div><div><br></div><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Mathieu ONeil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Michel<br><br>Yeah, sometimes things take longer than you'd like - that's the problem with volunteer projects I guess. We are currently finalising some long research papers; we have two conference reports ready to go; when the research papers are done - hopefully no more than a month now - we will release all this at once and issue a final CFP. <br>
<br>I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve by this post - "shaking things up" maybe? Obviously you should do what you feel but from my perspective it would be more useful to hold off until we launch officially and then re-publish on the P2P blog the ANT papers - something I suggested to you back in January, if you remember.<br>
<br>All other content is for the moment on the restricted part of our site - you should normally have an account which enables you to check it out.<br><br>cheers,<br><br>Mathieu<div><div></div><div><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>
From: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:29 am<br>Subject: CSPP, where is this project going?<br>To: p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>><br>
Cc: Mathieu O'Neil <<a href="mailto:mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">mathieu.oneil@anu.edu.au</a>>, phoebe moore <<a href="mailto:pvm.doc@gmail.com" target="_blank">pvm.doc@gmail.com</a>>, Athina Karatzogianni <<a href="mailto:athina.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">athina.k@gmail.com</a>>, nathaniel tkacz <<a href="mailto:nathanieltkacz@gmail.com" target="_blank">nathanieltkacz@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>I'm publishing this on the 27th in the p2p blog:<br><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font><br>
<p><a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=14831" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to Critical Studies in Peer
Production: where is this project going?" target="_blank"><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>Critical Studies in Peer Production: where is this project going?</a></p>
<img src="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wp-content/uploads/avatars/Michel%20Bauwens.jpg" alt="photo of Michel Bauwens" align="left"><div>Michel Bauwens</div><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font> <div>
27th March 2011</div> <font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font><br><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font> <p>
<font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>By my own reckoning at least 18 months ago, a project was started to build <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Critical_Studies_in_Peer_Production" target="_blank">a scientific and theoretical journal</a> to publish studies on peer production and P2P Theory.</p>
<p><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>Very quickly, it seems the original team focused on process, for example coming up with an innovative <a href="http://cspp.oekonux.org/journal/peer-review" target="_blank">open peer review process</a>.</p>
<p><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>However, it seems really strange that after so much time, the site is nearly empty of content, while at the same time, we have been able to spot 40 high quality essays, linked <a href="http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Essays" target="_blank">here</a>. So we sincerely hope that CSPP will finally focus on content, which is so richly available in the p2p research community.</p>
<p><font style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; background-color: rgb(245, 248, 240); font-size: 14px;">> </font>One interesting item, unfortunately at this time, the only item, is a very interesting debate on Actor-Network-Theory, see <a href="http://cspp.oekonux.org/debate/ant-power" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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