Dear Richard,<br><br>Very interesting, thanks a lot for this contribution.<br><br>I'd like to ask you a favour, we have a little directory of free software coops here, see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Software_Cooperatives">http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Software_Cooperatives</a>, could you add your entity and eventually others that you know?<br>
<br>Also, perhaps with Mark Dilley, Walton and Orsan, who like you are active at the intersection between unions/labour and open/p2p/free-software practices, I wonder if we could not have some kind of publishable dialogue, in which these issues here are trashed out for publication?<br>
<br>I am personally very happy with what I see as a maturation of the link between labour and p2p practices,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Richard Schulte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard@flywheelcollective.com">richard@flywheelcollective.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Patrick,<br>
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As a member of a unionized worker co-op who deals exclusively with software in the free & open source realm, I have not encountered many issues with the impact of unionization on projects we are involved in.<br>
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If anything, unionization in the open source realm could be helpful. �Say, if the workers of Sun Microsystems were unionized, could they not have resisted the buy-out by Oracle through a strike?<br>
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You make a good �point though - that developers in the greater community could act as 'scabs' in these situations. �The thing is - as long as they aren't being paid by the company that the workers are striking against, then there is no issue, and they are not scabs. �If anything, they could be seen as acting in solidarity with the striking programmers by ensuring that their software is still stable once they get back on the clock. �Or they could assist them by forking the project and continuing development outside of the control of the company (like the document foundation did). The free and open source community is built around mutual aid, trust and solidarity (for the most part).<br>
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The reason I make such a big point of union organization in the open source software and hardware communities is that when starting new ventures that are worker-owned, that these folks can build economies of scale around collective benefits, group purchasing, training & shared services. �Having a union that is greater than your own shop is important when filing grievances and having a wider reach of agency and community. �When these institutions are worker-owned, and part of an appropriate economic ecosystem, the balance of power tends to shift away from moneyed interest and towards federation. �This means that there will generally be less likelihood of strikes and work stoppage.<br>
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Just a thought.<br><font color="#888888">
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Richard</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 02/25/2011 12:39 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote:<br>
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The effectiveness of collective bargaining has always been threatened<br>
by independent peers who are willing to accept lower wages and endure<br>
poor working conditions.<br>
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For traditional manufacturing jobs, these 'alternate' workers can<br>
usually be kept from accessing the Means of Production by forming a<br>
physical barrier around the worksite or through various threats that<br>
can be carried out because it is easy to monitor who is actually<br>
entering the establishment.<br>
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Yet these valuable techniques of intimidation and coercion so vital to<br>
protecting Worker Rights are unlikely to be applicable in the realm of<br>
"immaterial production".<br>
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When it comes to something like Free Software, how can we, the<br>
International Programmers of the World, unionize effectively to *stop*<br>
independent programmers from creating the solutions that consumers<br>
need?<br>
<br>
This is a catastrophic issue, as many of these independents are<br>
willing to work not just for a low Wage, but for Free! �They often fix<br>
bugs and add features without any pay at all!<br>
<br>
How can workers in the 'immaterial' sphere possibly "make a living"<br>
with such anarchy and disrespect for organized labor, and with no<br>
ability to stop that production?<br>
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