very important comments and the whole point behind the collective intelligence network within which Tom Atlee, George Por, myself, and several others have been prime movers for the past decade.<br><br>Harvard has just discovered "shared value" and Business Week in June 2005 ran an article on The Power of Us about Lego getting 1,600 hours of engineering from engaged customers.<br>
<br>attached is my open everything slide, I am working on an article that Venessa really inspired, which is to document all of the existing open source initiatives (in English) for each of these categories,� and then update it--OpenBTS and solar power Internet being two that merit special prominence.<br>
<br>The future is about everything, always, in real time.� Governments and companies and most networks don't get that yet.� IMHO.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I find this an interesting remark, in all likelyhood, corporate platforms do reverse engineering, ie. they start from user needs and build backwards,<br>
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They actually do both. They invest in some form of infrastructure to<br>
deploy their services on, that can handle the bandwidth, storage and<br>
processing needs they are anticipating. Yet, no doubt you are right<br>
much time is spent on the design of the user interface. Definitely not<br>
an either/or proposition.<br>
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> the opposite strategy, building a pure internet but not looking at user needs, may suffer in comparison,<br>
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> Michel<br>
><br>
<br>
I agree. It is crucial that software and applications, and the<br>
hardware infrastructure progress in parallel, but also in<br>
collaboration. Truly, both are equally important, as they are for<br>
commercial entities.<br>
<br>
I think that massively great strides have been made with web<br>
applications like StatusNet, <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> and diaspora<br>
<a href="http://joindiaspora.com/" target="_blank">http://joindiaspora.com/</a> �those two examples can easily hold their own<br>
in terms of usability in comparison to what is available commercially.<br>
Those of us that are more focused on creating a distributed<br>
infrastructure think that it is crucial that HTTP protocol-based<br>
applications (the web) be able to operate on distributed<br>
infrastructure. I think, for instance there are some possibilities<br>
right now with using <a href="http://yaws.hyber.org/" target="_blank">http://yaws.hyber.org/</a> as the webserver, and<br>
couchdb or Raik as a distributed data store. There is also<br>
<a href="http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/" target="_blank">http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/</a> �<a href="http://memcached.org/" target="_blank">http://memcached.org/</a><br>
<a href="http://gearman.org/" target="_blank">http://gearman.org/</a> and many other technologies that could be used in<br>
developing distributed versions of web applications.<br>
<br>
The important thing from my perspective is that we need to dispell the<br>
myth that this is about infrastructure vs. user interface, or web vs.<br>
p2p internet technologies. These are *no longer* "either/or"<br>
propositions. The "next net", the distributed internet(s), need to<br>
afford all of this in parallel, and in collaboration. The distributed<br>
internet needs to support the web. This is arguably far more realistic<br>
than any one niche winning out over time, no matter how large or small<br>
it is.<br>
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> Some other characteristics to note involve practical usability, eg. what happens after I plug in the magic black box I just bought:<br>
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> Discoverability - how do I find friends and interesting things?<br>
> Aggregation - how can I follow friends and interesting things I find?<br>
> Publishing - how can I broadcast interesting things to my friends and followers?<br>
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> These are some of the things that centralized communication services are nailing, at the moment. No matter how the underlying fabric of a distributed net is made, if it doesn't serve some of these basic human-centric needs, it won't take off.<br>
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