thanks stephane,<br><br>if one day you have an english collaborator or a text which explains the philosophical foundations of your system/proposal, an elaboration of your points below, do let me know,<br><br>Michel<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Stéphane Laborde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laborde_stephane@yahoo.fr">laborde_stephane@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Le 10/02/2011 09:37, Thomas Greco a écrit :
<div class="im"><blockquote type="cite">
I've only taken a cursory look at the website but it seems that
there is no solid underlying rationale that assures <b>reciprocity</b>,
which is basic objective of any monetary system/currency--give as
much value as you get over a reasonably short period of time.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
This means nothing as value is totally relative to any individual.<br>
<br>
Neither Leonard da Vinci nor Albert Einstein has received such a
"recyprocity". It should have been impossible to any member of their
community as their GIFT of VALUE had no common mesure, and was not
understood.<br>
<br>
This is why this false idea conduce all pre-relativistic thought
into crisis wall. By not understanding FREEDOM and CREATIVITY, as
basic and fundamental element of any economy.<br>
<br>
Creativity has no mesure.<br>
<br>
Exchange is only an agreement, not a common mesure.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
I am an advocate of a universal dividend but it is not something
that should be incorporated into an exchange (money) system. <br>
Any dividend must be allocated out of the aggregate production and
accumulated wealth of a community, which is something that is NOT
reflected in the supply of exchange media (money).<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Missundestanding between VALUE (production) which is an INDIVIDUAL
MESURE, and MONEY, which is a COMMON (community) agreement to allow
exchanges.<br>
<br>
I don't agree to any "production" you could define, neither millions
of people. What you define as "production" is "destruction" for
other people, and no one can define it but denying FREEDOM of choice
of what is value and what it is not.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
Anyone who has read my latest book, <i>The End of Money</i>,
should realize that the amount of money outstanding (total credits
or debits in a credit clearing system) is determined by the amount
of trading, not by the number of participants. It is the total
amount of credit that has been extended by sellers to buyers that
has not yet been cleared by those buyers having reciprocated by
selling. The supply of "money" (credit) outstanding, therefore, is
automatically determined by the needs of the traders, increasing
and decreasing in accordance with transaction (economic) activity.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I deny ANY justification of creating money by CREDIT.<br>
<br>
This is contradictory with RELATIVE MONEY THEORY. Relative Money
Theory deny the right to any individual to CREATE money by credit.
Relative Money Theory is only compatible with 100% monney created by
universal dividend as only acceptable basis.<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
There must, of course be limits on the amount of credit that can
be granted to each account, those limits being determined mainly
by the sales history of each account.. <br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
This denying DEATH of people as liberating debts, and so create
money for nothing.<br>
<br>
Births and Deaths are not understood by classical analyses. Their
ignore deaths, and deny the right to be born. They don't understand
what is a discrete flow.<br>
<br>
Eternel ignorance of reality of births and deaths is the basis of
all generations crisis since 10 000 years.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<br>
E.C. Riegel is quite eloquent in expressing the fundamental
principles. I wish more people would read his books.<br>
<br>
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On 02/09/2011 12:22 PM, Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Michel, Stephane,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have looked at the English introduction pages,
unfortunately my French is not good enough to understand
something fairly technical and complex. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I am happy to see that there is a universal dividend
incorporated into this money system, I am not sure that it
will work. As far as I can understand, there is monthly money
creation by all members of the system, and with time the
monetary mass will grow, actually the graphic for growth of
monetary mass assuming a fixed number of members on this page</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://www.open-udc.org/en/money_rules" target="_blank">http://www.open-udc.org/en/money_rules</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>shows that there is a rather steep increase of the monetary
mass, all serving the same number of members. This means that
the currency will be inflationary by design. More money for
the same amount of business means that products, or anything
that is exchanged in this economy, will come to cost more and
more as time passes. One could also say that each unit of
money will be worth less and less as time passes. This is not
a good basis for a monetary system. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would be rather easy however, to engineer the system
for price stability. All that would need to be done is for the
money to be created with a date of expiry. Each unit on
monetary value, once it has been created, would need to start
losing some of its nominal value every month, until it expires
(has no more value) at the end of a period to be determined.
This would make sure that the monetary mass could be stable in
the case of a fixed number of members. After the period of
initialization, money created equals money lost to expiry. No
inflation of prices would ensue, because the monetary mass
stays constant. Such a mechanism would also mean that the
monetary mass could grow in line with a growing number of
members. The total monetary mass would thus depend on the
number of participants, and prices in the system would tend to
be stable. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Without such a mechanism, I am afraid the system would not
be workable. Money, to be used for real commerce, should have
reasonably stable value over time. Only by limiting the total
monetary mass in accordance with the number of members, can
this goal be reached. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards</div>
<div>Sepp</div>
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<div>On Feb 8, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Many thanks Stephane,<br>
<br>
I have created a overview page at <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Open-Universal_Digital_Currency_Project" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Open-Universal_Digital_Currency_Project</a><br>
<br>
Dear Sepp, could you have a look, present this project and
eventually put it into context of other projects in this
related space?<br>
<br>
I think the innovative part here is that it is directly
linked to the mechanism of the universal dividend, and
this is why it's particularly worth supporting,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:45 PM,
Stéphane Laborde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laborde_stephane@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">laborde_stephane@yahoo.fr</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> You can present
Open-UDC with :<br>
<br>
General presentation : <a href="http://www.open-udc.org/en/start" target="_blank">http://www.open-udc.org/en/start</a><br>
<br>
And Money Rules : <a href="http://www.open-udc.org/en/money_rules" target="_blank">http://www.open-udc.org/en/money_rules</a><br>
<br>
You can add that Open-UDC go with a a progressive
goal following three steps :<br>
<br>
1) Implementation with centralised server<br>
2) Implementation with hierarchical organisation<br>
3) Implementation with P2P System<br>
<br>
Money rules are a money system named Open-UDC. The
technical system in charge of the money rules is
independant of Open-UDC and named Open-UDS.<br>
<pre cols="72">Stéphane Laborde
9, rue Ganneron, 75018 PARIS
Tel. 09 54 87 03 18
Mobile : 06 64 42 25 99</pre>
<br>
Le 08/02/2011 06:36, Michel Bauwens a écrit :
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Cher Stephane,<br>
<br>
If you have any non-technical text on this,
I'd like to announce it on the p2p foundation
blog,<br>
<br>
Un grand merci!<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011
at 12:34 PM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail..com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">didn't know that one!
will definitely check out and add to <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Money" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Money</a>,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Michel</font>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb
8, 2011 at 12:29 PM, olivier auber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com" target="_blank">olivierauber2@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Ok!<br>
<br>
J'oubliais, La Théorie Relative de
la Monnaie (TRM) est la base du
développement du <br>
<h1>Open-Universal Digital
Currency project</h1>
<a href="http://www.open-udc.org/en/start" target="_blank">http://www.open-udc.org/en/start</a><br>
<br>
Et ça c'est en anglais, entre
autres...
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/8
Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">thanks
a lot Olivier, if you hear
from the english
translation at some point,
thanks for letting me
know!
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at
12:19 PM, olivier
auber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com" target="_blank">olivierauber2@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Bonjour
matinal Michel,<br>
<br>
Sur ce sujet,
j'attire ton
attention sur un
auteur français à
l'origine d'une
très intéressante
"théorie relative
de la monnaie" qui
permet de calculer
très exactement
différentes
choses, notamment
l'expansion de la
masse monétaire
conduisant à une
économie durable,
ainsi que le
montant du
Dividende
Universel qui
serait le vecteur
de cette
expansion.<br>
<br>
Il s'appelle
Stéphane Laborde.<br>
<br>
Le livre est ici :
<a href="http://www.creationmonetaire.info/2010/11/theorie-relative-de-la-monnaie-10.html" target="_blank">http://www.creationmonetaire.info/2010/11/theorie-relative-de-la-monnaie-10.html</a><br>
Le blog là : <a href="http://www.creationmonetaire.info/" target="_blank">http://www.creationmonetaire.info/</a><br>
<br>
Malheureusement,
tout cela n'existe
qu'en français
pour le moment.<br>
Un traduction en
anglais est en
cours, je crois.<br>
<br>
Amicalement<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/8
Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div> <br>
Dear Sepp,<br>
<br>
because the
discussion is
largely
technical,
this is all I
can do, but
perhaps you
can add an
extra comment?<br>
<br>
also, if you
are in contact
with Marc,
please give
him a chance
to say
something
about the
evolution of
the bibo
project since
december 2009,<br>
<br>
Michel<br>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p><a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=13869" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent
Link to An
update on
BIBO,
financial
stability
standards, and
the debt-virus
hypothesis" target="_blank"><br>
</a></p>
<img src="" alt="photo of Michel Bauwens" align="left">
<div>Michel
Bauwens</div>
<div>16th
February 2011</div>
<br>
<p>In December
2009, Sepp
Hasslberger <a>introduced to us</a> Bibo, a proposed standard
for stable
currencies,
that would
replace the
current
inherently
unstable
banking money
system.</p>
<p>This
article has
become our
most comment
rich article,
in particular
through a
recurring
debate between
one of the
Bibo
co-authors
Marc, and
Ardeshir
Mehta.</p>
<p>Ardeshir
has written an
article that
challenges one
of the main
points of
monetary
reformers,
i.e. that the
current system
leads to the
infinite
creation of
debt through
compound
interest.</p>
<p>You can
find it <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/DebunkingTheDebt-VirusHypothesis.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>The
context:</p>
<p><i>“Currently,
most if not
all money is
loaned into
existence by
banks, and is
thus based on
interest-bearing
debt. There is
no question
that neither
interest nor
debt-based
money are good
for society,
and I have
written
denouncing
both debt and
interest
elsewhere.
However, there
is a fairly
common thesis,
based on the
fact that
money is
loaned into
existence as
interest-bearing
debt, that if
new loans are
not
continually
being issued
in
ever-increasing
amounts,
enough money
will not be
created to pay
the interest
on existing
loans; and as
a result, at
least some
those loans
will be
defaulted
upon,
resulting in
inevitable
foreclosures.
“</i></p>
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