<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 4, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Mark Petz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">" Public services like libraries, recreation centers and there for us
when we can no longer afford new books, health clubs or another car." line 3 of part 4 of <br><h2><span class="mw-headline">Theoretical: Twelve Principles of the Commons</span></h2>to me all libraries are commons projects. that is the point<br>
<br>yep perhaps vesav orb others with time can expand this sections.<br>m<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Mark, I can't find your reference to that formulation in Jay's book, I only see "44. Patronize and support your public library"<br>
<br>Our wiki has indeed next to nothing on (public or commons) libraries, to I keep the tag <a href="http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Libaries" target="_blank">http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Libaries</a>, as I was myself a librarian for 12 years,<br>
<br>We do have <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Intelligence" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Intelligence</a>, which is if you like, about 'virtual libraries',<br><br>I would welcome more, but am not close to that world anymore,<br>
<br>I have put Vesa in cc, as perhaps he knows of other commons-related library projects,<br><br>Michel<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Mark Petz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ravenwyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">ravenwyn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">There is a gaping cavern of a hole in the p2p website.<br><br>I was looking at:<br><br><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Field_Guide_to_the_Commons" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Field_Guide_to_the_Commons</a><br>
<br>and it says libraries when we can no longer afford books - ??!!!!<br>
<br>This seems to me a big misrepresentation - I can afford books, but I think a library is essential as it reduces environmental impact on the planet, I want the expert services of a librarian that can find stuff for me, communal halls where I can meet fellow literati or researchers are valuable. Valuable books that I can leave there and someone else manage the security or limited editions I cannot find and can be stored collectively and better etc. many COMMONS aspects that have nowt to do with money or some kind of seeking alternative from a presumed mainstream culture.<br>
<br>Also I think there should be an actual page on this as the LIBRARY is probably the most familiar commons to people, which is a construct of man that works well.<br><br>Now maybe there is another page that has this? I don't know. But to develop more on the library it would be good to ask "Vesa Lehtinen" <<a href="mailto:akuleh@sci.fi" target="_blank">akuleh@sci.fi</a>> a qualified librarian here who worked at the Pispala Community Library here in Pispala. Not sure if you met him? Anyhow this is a library that is open to all, and not run through taxation, but one set up by the community here.<br>
<br>markus<br>
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