thanks Dante,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/2 Dante-Gabryell Monson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">Writing history before, or as it happens... ?</span></font></div>
<div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"></span></font>" In the list of things that Wikipedia isn't there is a</div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial;">paragraph saying "Wikipedia is not a newspaper". Indeed, Wikipedia<br>
did not function here as a newspaper, but rather as a tool serving<br>the organizers of the demonstrations. "</span><br></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Geert Lovink</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:geert@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">geert@xs4all.nl</a>></span><br>
Date: 2011/2/2<br>Subject: <nettime> Dror Kamir: Egypte, brûle-t-elle?<br>To: <a href="mailto:nettime-l@kein.org" target="_blank">nettime-l@kein.org</a><br><br><br><br>
Dear nettimers,<br>
<br>
I wanted to share this story with you all. It ran on the Critical<br>
Point of View mailinglist that belongs to the Wikiresearch network<br>
with the same name. Dror Kamir is an Israeli Wikipedian with lots of<br>
knowledge of the 'region', and, like many in that part of the world, a<br>
colorful (online) personality and complex political agenda (as they<br>
say...).<br>
<br>
Greetings! Geert<br>
<br>
PS. somewhere in March-April the CPOV reader will be out. The<br>
publication reaches the final stage of copy-editing.<br>
<br>
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<br>
> From: Dror Kamir <<a href="mailto:dqamir@bezeqint.net" target="_blank">dqamir@bezeqint.net</a>><br>
> Date: 31 January 2011 7:55:41 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:cpov@listcultures.org" target="_blank">cpov@listcultures.org</a><br>
> Subject: <CPOV> Egypte, brûle-t-elle?<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I suppose you have all noticed that Egypt is going through rough<br>
> time, but I wonder if you looked into the history of the article<br>
> about the events. It almost seems as if the article preceded the<br>
> actual events. The article on the English-language Wikipedia is<br>
> entitled "2011 Egyptian protests". It already exists in 39 languages<br>
> (incl. English). In Arabic and Egyptian-Arabic it is entitled "The<br>
> Egyptian Revolution of Wrath" (the demonstrations on Friday were<br>
> called by the organizers "Friday of Wrath").<br>
><br>
> Now to the interesting part - The demonstrations were planned via<br>
> FaceBook for about a week, and "D-Day" was Tuesday, 25 January<br>
> (which is a public holiday in Egypt). The first version of the<br>
> article on the English Wikipedia has a time stamp of 13:26 25<br>
> January 2011 (UTC I presume). The person who initiated the article<br>
> is nicknamed "The Egyptian Liberal" and according to his userpage he<br>
> is an Egyptian who lives in Dubai and speaks both Arabic and English<br>
> as mother tongues. "The Egyptian Liberal" worked very fast to enrich<br>
> the article, and it was practically written in the course of the<br>
> events. In the list of things that Wikipedia isn't there is a<br>
> paragraph saying "Wikipedia is not a newspaper". Indeed, Wikipedia<br>
> did not function here as a newspaper, but rather as a tool serving<br>
> the organizers of the demonstrations.<br>
><br>
> An equivalent article was initiated on the Arabic Wikipedia 3 and a<br>
> half hours after its English counterpart. It was initiated by<br>
> someone who apparently lives in Egypt, but "The Egyptian Liberal"<br>
> joined him quite soon. The article on the Egyptian-Arabic Wikipedia<br>
> emerged only on 28 January, two and a half days after its English<br>
> and Arabic counterparts. It was initiated by a person who lives in<br>
> Egypt, and he is also the main contributor, but "The Egyptian<br>
> Liberal" had his share here too.<br>
><br>
> These are just my first observation, which I find interesting<br>
> because it is, in my opinion, another stage of Wikipedia losing its<br>
> encyclopedic characteristics.<br>
><br>
> Dror<br>
><br>
><br>
> בתאריך 31/01/11 17:07, ציטוט Maja van der Velden:<br>
>> Define Gender Gap? Look Up Wikipedia’s Contributor List<br>
>><br>
>> In 10 short years, Wikipedia has accomplished some remarkable<br>
>> goals. More than 3.5 million articles in English? Done. More than<br>
>> 250 languages? Sure. But another number has proved to be an<br>
>> intractable obstacle for the online encyclopedia: surveys suggest<br>
>> that less than 15 percent of its hundreds of thousands of<br>
>> contributors are women.<br>
>><br>
>> More here:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&emc=eta1&adxnnlx=1296486151-4fB4AiSiCizUtpXNS2UGPA" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&emc=eta1&adxnnlx=1296486151-4fB4AiSiCizUtpXNS2UGPA</a><br>
>><br>
>> Greetings,<br>
>><br>
>> Maja<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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