could you describe in a little more detail, that 'scholar' and what he should be thinking ?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, robin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robokow@gmail.com">robokow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> robin, you writre:<br>
><br>
>> I really wish the guy had done a course on the roal of "unifying"<br>
>> ideologies in world history before commencing his movies, and how not<br>
>> to base these in so-called fundamentals or rules you find in nature.<br>
>> Because you can find any rule, which will support whatever you want to<br>
>> believe in "life" and in "nature".<br>
><br>
> well, that is the old concept of dharma, the tao etc... which traditional<br>
> societies believed, but they were also mostly sustainable (not always<br>
> locally, but at least could not endanger the whole planet)<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, which sums up my point. "The" Tao can be used by different<br>
political philosophies from social to individual anarchism,<br>
laissez-faire economics, (neo-)liberalism, social-democracy, etc. And<br>
in Dharma, there can be very rigid forms of hierarchy.<br>
<br>
Thus, any "rule of nature" can be manipulated to serve your own<br>
world-view. For good and for worse.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> so there is something to be said for an approach that recognizes the logic<br>
> of life and nature, on which society and mind depends,<br>
<br>
</div>Maybe. But definitely not if you create an ideology out of that which<br>
you then enforce onto others (which is the case with most ideologies).<br>
Also nazism is based on a certain logic of life and nature. May be a<br>
bad logic and scientifically incorrect but still it is based around a<br>
conception of "fundamentals" of nature and life, and for many these<br>
were not even "unscientific" in those days.<br>
<br>
And also Buddhist have been staging war<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Buddhism+and+violence" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=Buddhism+and+violence</a><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Buddhism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Buddhism</a><br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> the question is, is this possible not as a belief and preconceived<br>
> philosophical system, but as some kind of science, like the<br>
> biophilic/scientific approach to urbanism, as proposed by say Nikos<br>
> Salingaros,<br>
<br>
</div>Yeah, why not. As long as the rules of the game are open-source, there<br>
is trial-and-error in place and we are free to adapt ;-)<br>
<br>
By the way, wasn't there a discussion once on this list on the<br>
adaptibility of human nature and how this cannot be seen as a "fixed<br>
constant" but something that changes due to ethical, social, and<br>
political praxis (economic and religious being part of that) ?<br>
<br>
That's an interesting point since all(?) ideologies are based on a<br>
specific conceptualisation of human nature which in their turn, as far<br>
as I am aware, are more or less fixed constants/ given facts.<br>
<br>
I would like to know if there is any scholar that based its work<br>
around that idea, since it might also be the one that is closest to a<br>
p2p ideology in my point of view.<br>
<br>
Wow, we really went off-topic here, or maybe not even so :)<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> Michel<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:33 PM, robin <<a href="mailto:robokow@gmail.com">robokow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">>> And I just read this quote by Peter Joseph himself:<br>
>> "The Zeitgeist Movement is a grass roots campaign to unify the world<br>
>> through a common ideology based on the fundamentals of life and<br>
>> nature. "<br>
>><br>
>> I really wish the guy had done a course on the roal of "unifying"<br>
>> ideologies in world history before commencing his movies, and how not<br>
>> to base these in so-called fundamentals or rules you find in nature.<br>
>> Because you can find any rule, which will support whatever you want to<br>
>> believe in "life" and in "nature".<br>
>><br>
>> Or maybe he did follow a course and he is involved in a conspiracy to<br>
>> take over the world ;)<br>
<br>
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