robin, you writre:<br><br><I really wish the guy had done a course on the roal of "unifying"<br>
ideologies in world history before commencing his movies, and how not<br>
to base these in so-called fundamentals or rules you find in nature.<br>
Because you can find any rule, which will support whatever you want to<br>
believe in "life" and in "nature".><br><br>well, that is the old concept of dharma, the tao etc... which traditional societies believed, but they were also mostly sustainable (not always locally, but at least could not endanger the whole planet)<br>
<br>so there is something to be said for an approach that recognizes the logic of life and nature, on which society and mind depends,<br><br>the question is, is this possible not as a belief and preconceived philosophical system, but as some kind of science, like the biophilic/scientific approach to urbanism, as proposed by say Nikos Salingaros,<br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:33 PM, robin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robokow@gmail.com">robokow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
<<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Robin there is now so much out there, as well as a seeming copryright claim<br>
> that the original may have disappeared, that I no longer know where to<br>
> start,<br>
<br>
</div>ha, that is interesting! where did you see that? Everything is still<br>
on bittorrent though :)<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I'd like to go to the whole series from the beginning onwards<br>
<br>
</div>I actually don't really recommend watching them. The first movie was<br>
the one that was heavily biased and based on all sorts of ridiculous<br>
conspiracy theories. The 2nd was more balanced and introduces the<br>
Venus Project as the real alternative. Now we also have a third that<br>
next week will be released on dvd/ internet and was released through<br>
independent/ underground cinemas this week.<br>
<br>
<br>
The first one:<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie</a><br>
<br>
You can go through the tanscript much quicker than watching it:<br>
<a href="http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zeitgeist,_The_Movie_transcript" target="_blank">http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zeitgeist,_The_Movie_transcript</a><br>
<br>
<br>
The second:<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Joseph#Zeitgeist:_Addendum" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Joseph#Zeitgeist:_Addendum</a><br>
& <a href="http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zeitgeist_Addendum" target="_blank">http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zeitgeist_Addendum</a><br>
<br>
<br>
And I just read this quote by Peter Joseph himself:<br>
"The Zeitgeist Movement is a grass roots campaign to unify the world<br>
through a common ideology based on the fundamentals of life and<br>
nature. "<br>
<br>
I really wish the guy had done a course on the roal of "unifying"<br>
ideologies in world history before commencing his movies, and how not<br>
to base these in so-called fundamentals or rules you find in nature.<br>
Because you can find any rule, which will support whatever you want to<br>
believe in "life" and in "nature".<br>
<br>
Or maybe he did follow a course and he is involved in a conspiracy to<br>
take over the world ;)<br>
<br>
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