hi, thanks for those easier interfaces,<br><br>how does that work: <br><br>"Price the goods and services on your website in any national currency,
and have our SCI convert the prices into Bitcoins as each purchase is
made."<br><br>what determines exchange rates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Cyclonite <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cyclonite@safe-mail.net">cyclonite@safe-mail.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Guys,<br>
<br>
I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP.<br>
<br>
You can even sign up in a website as <a href="http://mybitcoin.com" target="_blank">mybitcoin.com</a> and start making or receiving donations.<br>
<br>
In my opinion the best available info for beginners is <a href="http://bitcoinme.com" target="_blank">http://bitcoinme.com</a>. Please take a look and you will get your doubts clear.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Cyclonite.<br>
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
From: Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:cyclonite@safe-mail.net">cyclonite@safe-mail.net</a>, p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>>, Sepp Hasslberger <<a href="mailto:sepp@lastrega.com">sepp@lastrega.com</a>>, Georg Pleger <<a href="mailto:g.pleger@yahoo.de">g.pleger@yahoo.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation<br>
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500<br>
<br>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Hi Michel,<br>
> > Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again,<br>
> > another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility<br>
> > - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it a<br>
> > geek thing<br>
><br>
> I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes<br>
> care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some<br>
> people may not understand what is happening.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if<br>
> p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology<br>
> of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those<br>
> early adopters.<br>
><br>
> > - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to do,gah!<br>
> ><br>
> > I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution.<br>
> > James<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to<br>
> participate in any experiments with bitcoin<br>
><br>
><br>
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> James,<br>
> >><br>
> >> do you have a public key?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Michel<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or James's<br>
> >>> public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then<br>
> >>> send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and<br>
> >>> sending it to you<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> quote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A<br>
> >>> coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred from<br>
> >>> user A to user B, A adds B�s public key to the coin and signs it with<br>
> >>> his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it further.<br>
> >>> To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user<br>
> >>> C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively<br>
> >>> maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each<br>
> >>> transaction the coin�s unusedness will be checked."<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
> >>> <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>> > Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog?<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>> > wrote:<br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >> I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf network<br>
> >>> >> folks.<br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >> This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy efforts<br>
> >>> >> too.<br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens<br>
> >>> >> <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>> >> wrote:<br>
> >>> >> > Dear,<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > thanks a lot for this email,<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this, but I<br>
> >>> >> > will<br>
> >>> >> > forward this to James Burke for possible implementation<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > James, I think we should do this, what do� you think?<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > Michel<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <<a href="mailto:cyclonite@safe-mail.net">cyclonite@safe-mail.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
> >>> >> >> Hash: SHA1<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> Dear friends,<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin for<br>
> >>> >> >> making a<br>
> >>> >> >> small donation.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> As �you �probably �know, �Bitcoin �(<a href="http://bitcoin.org" target="_blank">bitcoin.org</a>) �is �a �new kind<br>
> >>> >> >> of a<br>
> >>> >> >> P2P<br>
> >>> >> >> crypto-currency in which the general public can �make donations,<br>
> >>> >> >> macro<br>
> >>> >> >> �or<br>
> >>> >> >> micropayments � in �a �secure �and � anonymous �way �usually<br>
> >>> >> >> �without<br>
> >>> >> >> �any<br>
> >>> >> >> transaction fee involved.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: <a href="https://mtgox.com" target="_blank">https://mtgox.com</a>) or<br>
> >>> >> >> purchase<br>
> >>> >> >> services or goods in an increasing number of sites.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> In �order to �receive �donations you �only have �to �publish �one<br>
> >>> >> >> �of<br>
> >>> >> >> your<br>
> >>> >> >> accounts �as generated �by the �bitcoin client �or any specialized<br>
> >>> >> >> bitcoin<br>
> >>> >> >> trader (eg: <a href="http://mybitcoin.com" target="_blank">mybitcoin.com</a>).<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> Currently �some � projects �as �<a href="http://www.i2p2.de" target="_blank">www.i2p2.de</a>,<br>
> >>> >> >> �<a href="http://www.torrentservers.net" target="_blank">www.torrentservers.net</a><br>
> >>> >> >> and<br>
> >>> >> >> organizations like the EFF are accepting donations.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> In �my �opinion �this �kind �of decentralized solution without the<br>
> >>> >> >> need<br>
> >>> >> >> to<br>
> >>> >> >> trust �any �middlemen �is much better than �Paypal, Visa or<br>
> >>> >> >> Mastercard<br>
> >>> >> >> for<br>
> >>> >> >> security-minded people as most of your donors are.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> If �you �are �interested in �pushing �Bitcoin forward, �do not<br>
> >>> >> >> hesitate<br>
> >>> >> >> to<br>
> >>> >> >> contact me if you have any doubt.<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> Yours,<br>
> >>> >> >> Cyclonite<br>
> >>> >> >> __<br>
> >>> >> >> OpenPGP Email: <a href="https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg" target="_blank">https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg</a><br>
> >>> >> >> bitcoin donations: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
> >>> >> >><br>
> >>> >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNKlVFAAoJEL/jfnFwT5SQ5boP/jCyIMBs4PoIT/+ztLgkzmlV<br>
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> >>> >> >> 0tGlIY+zf3Pov32FEJrI/VlSfRdtIENaoVzWXMvoaH5eVVUD/iVH0lqVrdVMqtJD<br>
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> >>> >> >> Buueis3OAs1+lVUAM676h6HaU5CBRYqfr4we9DvdKk9rZWcXlJpcUGykcGIVxB4a<br>
> >>> >> >> sfhx5vc+jyNCYMMWbaulVhDMlI9ReA5WIpNpEQhh5gFALrwewF1uWBLJ9EjeDkja<br>
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> >>> >> >> =50gB<br>
> >>> >> >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > --<br>
> >>> >> > P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>� -<br>
> >>> >> > <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > Connect: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.ning.com" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.ning.com</a>; Discuss:<br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > <a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org" target="_blank">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org</a><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > Updates: <a href="http://del.icio.us/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://del.icio.us/mbauwens</a>;<br>
> >>> >> > <a href="http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
> >>> >> > <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> > Think tank:<br>
> >>> >> > <a href="http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI" target="_blank">http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI</a><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >> ><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >> --<br>
> >>> >> --<br>
> >>> >> Sam Rose<br>
> >>> >> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation<br>
> >>> >> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552<br>
> >>> >> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451<br>
> >>> >> skype: samuelrose<br>
> >>> >> email: <a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a><br>
> >>> >> <a href="http://forwardfound.org" target="_blank">http://forwardfound.org</a><br>
> >>> >> <a href="http://futureforwardinstitute.org" target="_blank">http://futureforwardinstitute.org</a><br>
> >>> >> <a href="http://hollymeadcapital.com" target="_blank">http://hollymeadcapital.com</a><br>
> >>> >> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> >>> >> <a href="http://socialmediaclassroom.com" target="_blank">http://socialmediaclassroom.com</a><br>
> >>> >><br>
> >>> >> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human<br>
> >>> >> ambition." - Carl Sagan<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > --<br>
> >>> > P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>� -<br>
> >>> > <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Connect: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.ning.com" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.ning.com</a>; Discuss:<br>
> >>> > <a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org" target="_blank">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Updates: <a href="http://del.icio.us/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://del.icio.us/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
> >>> > <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Think tank:<br>
> >>> > <a href="http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI" target="_blank">http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI</a><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Sam Rose<br>
> >>> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation<br>
> >>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552<br>
> >>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451<br>
> >>> skype: samuelrose<br>
> >>> email: <a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://forwardfound.org" target="_blank">http://forwardfound.org</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://futureforwardinstitute.org" target="_blank">http://futureforwardinstitute.org</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://hollymeadcapital.com" target="_blank">http://hollymeadcapital.com</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://socialmediaclassroom.com" target="_blank">http://socialmediaclassroom.com</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human<br>
> >>> ambition." - Carl Sagan<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>� - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> Connect: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.ning.com" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.ning.com</a>; Discuss:<br>
> >> <a href="http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org" target="_blank">http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> Updates: <a href="http://del.icio.us/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://del.icio.us/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
> >> <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> Think tank: <a href="http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI" target="_blank">http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI</a><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Web: <a href="http://www.lifesized.net" target="_blank">www.lifesized.net</a>� Phone:+31 (0)6 5244 6445 Twitter: @lifesized<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> --<br>
> Sam Rose<br>
> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation<br>
> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552<br>
> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451<br>
> skype: samuelrose<br>
> email: <a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a><br>
> <a href="http://forwardfound.org" target="_blank">http://forwardfound.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://futureforwardinstitute.org" target="_blank">http://futureforwardinstitute.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://hollymeadcapital.com" target="_blank">http://hollymeadcapital.com</a><br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
> <a href="http://socialmediaclassroom.com" target="_blank">http://socialmediaclassroom.com</a><br>
><br>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human<br>
> ambition." - Carl Sagan<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>� - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br>
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<br>Think tank: <a href="http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI">http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI</a><br><br><br><br><br>