Dear Dante,<br><br>thanks for sharing these resources with Paul,<br><br>very specifically dealing with open and distributed manufacturing is: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Manufacturing">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Manufacturing</a> <br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Paul, and all,<div><br></div><div>nice to see some�resonance.<br><div><br></div><div>excerpt from your message :</div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>"<span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">Up to this point almost all open-source projects have been exactly</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">that, open-SOURCE, as in source code. I see no reason why this model</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">can't be </span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><b>applied to the creation of a real-world physical product</b></span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">dropped shipped to people around the world."</span></i></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><i><br>
</i></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">Btw, do you know about the p2p foundation clearing house to various approaches similar to the one you describe</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">wiki : <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>�</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">about 7000 pages or more, including pages such as�</span></font></div>
<div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"></span></font><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Money_and_Peer_Production" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Money_and_Peer_Production</a></div>
<div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Economy_of_Peer_Production" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Political_Economy_of_Peer_Production</a></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Production" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Peer_Production</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>also electronics - since it was�mentioned�:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">blog : <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse: collapse;">lists :�<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Foundation_Email_Lists" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Foundation_Email_Lists</a></span></font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">examples of physical world implementations :</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://openfarmtech.org/" target="_blank">http://openfarmtech.org/</a></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">( or on appropedia wiki :�</font><a href="http://www.appropedia.org/Open_Source_Ecology" target="_blank">http://www.appropedia.org/Open_Source_Ecology</a>�; and p2pf wiki :�<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Ecology" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Ecology</a>��)</div>
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</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Paul Hughes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psidoc@gmail.com" target="_blank">psidoc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p>I'm new to the list, but not new to these ideas. I've been dreaming<br>
of the day that networked systems would be used to create grass-roots,<br>
bottoms-up, decentralized, ad-hoc, egalitarian, open-source economic<br>
systems for a long, long time. I'm very happy to find this group!<br>
<br>
I'm also glad to see John Robb take the initiative in creating an<br>
open-source venture for "Picture This". I like it!<br>
<br>
NEXT STEP:<br>
<br>
I think a real test of seeing how robust these new paradigm is, is if<br>
we can create an actual physical, shippable product.<br>
<br>
Up to this point almost all open-source projects have been exactly<br>
that, open-SOURCE, as in source code. I see no reason why this model<br>
can't be applied to the creation of a real-world physical product<br>
dropped shipped to people around the world.<br>
<br>
To me that ideal product would be a Software Radio.<br>
<br>
TA software Radio is a device that can dynamically seek out whatever<br>
spectrum is available at the moment to communicate with any other<br>
equivalent device. This is paradigm busting and revolutionary for<br>
several reasons. The primary one being there is more need for carriers<br>
(<a href="http://i.er" target="_blank">i.er</a>. AT&T, Verizon, Spring, etc.). Any software radio device can<br>
communicate with any other software radio device without interfering<br>
with existing spectrum use. Each device is a transceiver. This means<br>
each device become a node in an ad-hoc, open-source network, without<br>
the need for a central carrier. These would first take off in dense<br>
urban environments, but over time even the most remote village in the<br>
world could hook into the network. This is radical because it would<br>
bypass not only all the major carriers but all the major internet<br>
providers as well. This is the new internet that everyone hopes will<br>
evolve, and the creation of the Software Radio is the key component<br>
necessary to make it work.<br>
<br>
Like the fax machine, one fax is worthless, two becomes meaningful,<br>
and thousands become powerful. The same economies of scale apply<br>
here, but with one difference. Since a software radio can receive and<br>
transmit on any radio frequency, this means the device can pick any<br>
broadcast on any spectrum - AM/FM, Ham Radio, CB, TV, WiFi, WiMax, 3G,<br>
4G. Do you see the power of this? So if even if a person has no<br>
other device they can transmit to, they can still receive internet,<br>
radio and TV all on one device.<br>
<br>
The question then becomes one of legality. This is a big one, because<br>
all the incumbents would be put out of business by this technology. So<br>
you can bet that if there not laws on the books now to stop this,<br>
attempts to make laws outlawing it will soon come to pass, unless<br>
market saturation is reach before then. I think the democratizing<br>
power of this technology is too great to not push to develop this<br>
technology as soon as possible. As soon as people can see the power<br>
of these tools the sooner it will reach market saturation, and public<br>
attitudes will push for legality. Should they become illegal under<br>
totalitarian governments at least the technology will be out there for<br>
people to build their own.<br>
<br>
As for the practicalities of manufacturing and fulfillment, all of<br>
those systems are already in place. There are thousands of prototype<br>
and manufacturing companies in China ready to take our seed ideas and<br>
turn them into physical, shippable products, drop shipping them off to<br>
anyone in the world. Creating online storefronts and affiliates<br>
systems for marketing are already being used to great success.<br>
<br>
The potential market for these devices in the coming years could reach<br>
the trillion dollar mark. Those who take the initiative now in<br>
creating the first consumer ready Software Radio's will find<br>
themselves becoming among the first open-source venture billionaires.<br>
<br>
Any takers?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Paul Hughes<br>
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