Hello, <br><br>As there are many ways do map an infrastructure, one idea I've thought about was having all p2p software and operating system package either pre-installed on a computer and/or available on a GNU GPL distro (like or using aspects of GNUnet). The attached illustration is based on a partial-mesh topology 3 links/node in a 9 computer network (I merely included duplicate software lists at each PC to illustrate the example of modular and compatible PCs in any network). This could be scaled up, but might need a different software that can readily adapt to different topologies. <br>
<br>Giovanni Lostumbo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sepp@lastrega.com">sepp@lastrega.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">I will be happy to scout out technologies and evaluate them to contribute to this kind of listing.<div><br></div><div>Much of the work is actually ongoing, things are being published on the p2p blog and the p2p Ning group site - many of those articles can be just collected and used for the mapping of the infrastructure.�</div>
<div><br></div><div>You are quite right Michel, a listing of all those things together would be a good resource for anyone attempting to get up to speed on what is there, with a view of building up something of their own.</div>
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<br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><div>On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Fuster, Mayo wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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<p><font size="2">Hello!<br>
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I am very interested in the mapping of P2P infrastructure.<br>
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I think we need to build an actor around it. The firts step is to make clear what would define a P2P/free and open infrastructure, whatever you want to call it. This was one of the goals behind the infrastructure part of Fcforum 2010 declaration (<a href="http://wiki.fcforum.net/index.php?title=Collective_editing_Infrastructure_part_final_declaration" target="_blank">http://wiki.fcforum.net/index.php?title=Collective_editing_Infrastructure_part_final_declaration</a>). The second step would be to map the P2P infrastructure. And the third step to create an alliance between those resources.<br>
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On the mapping part, I would be happy to contribute and be part of a group of people interested on developing it.<br>
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Cheers! Mayo<br>
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De: Sepp Hasslberger [<a href="mailto:sepp@lastrega.com" target="_blank">mailto:sepp@lastrega.com</a>]<br>
Enviat el: ds. 08/01/2011 16:37<br>
Per a: Michel Bauwens<br>
A/c: p2p-foundation; Fuster, Mayo; <a href="mailto:giovanni.lostumbo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giovanni.lostumbo@gmail.com</a>; Douglas Rushkoff; Open Manufacturing<br>
Tema: Re: structured mapping of real p2p internet infrastructure<br>
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Dear Michel,<br>
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I must defer to you on matters of the wiki. I'm not a wiki editor and I can't insist on how to do things there.<br>
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My suggestion came from an example I saw in the free energy field, where PESWiki is organized with many sub directories and sub-directories, but it isn't me who did it (I don't even know how to make a new wiki page).<br>
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I was responding to your message, but wiki isn't my strong side. I'd rather stay on blog-type publishing.<br>
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It appears we need some volunteers for this putting-stuff-together-on-the-wiki type work.<br>
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Sepp<br>
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On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
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> Dear Sepp,<br>
><br>
> from four years of experience, I can say that subcategories are not working on our wiki,<br>
><br>
> I'd rather propose that you/we use a specific project tag for this project, like Internet Infrastructure or some such, and other people can still use other tags if they want to same entries to appear somewhere else,<br>
><br>
> now if you feel that within that new category, it would benefit from subfields and you are committed to them, of course, I'd have no problem with it,<br>
><br>
> as you probably know, within each category, you can use the category page itself for free-range classification and contextualization,<br>
><br>
> and of course, all the material we already have in Technology and Standards, can be re-used by retagging in this new more precise context,<br>
><br>
> Michel<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Sepp Hasslberger <<a href="mailto:sepp@lastrega.com" target="_blank">sepp@lastrega.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Michel,<br>
><br>
> I think a wiki entry (or rather a series of entries) would probably be the best format for a collection or a listing of what's out there, what projects are in progress. I could do some work on this, but perhaps we have others who could contribute to the wiki directly.<br>
><br>
> It could then also be structured much better, so we don't mix communications infrastructure with p2p manufacturing and other stuff. I see the page on Category:Technology on the wiki has a bit of everything.<br>
><br>
> My idea would be to organize this in a more structured way. Perhaps the Category:Technology could be re-named Category:Technology:Overview and then other pages could go under Category:Technology such as<br>
><br>
> Category:Technology:Communication<br>
> Category:Technology:Manufacturing<br>
> Category:Technology:P2P-Software<br>
><br>
> I'm not good at those categorizations, but you get the idea. It would make for less heavy pages on those subcategories, easier to get into and to contribute.<br>
><br>
> Sepp<br>
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> "The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"<br>
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> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
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>> Thanks to Giovanni for this overview,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sepp, would you agree to work on some kind of overview mapping of these different projects, in 2011, so that people could easily see what is going on?<br>
>><br>
>> what kind of layered organisation schema could we use to make most sense of it?<br>
>><br>
>> please also note <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Standards" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Standards</a> and <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Technology" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Technology</a><br>
>><br>
>> Michel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Giovanni Lostumbo <<a href="mailto:giovanni.lostumbo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giovanni.lostumbo@gmail.com</a>> Jan 04 05:26AM -0800 ^<br>
>>�<br>
>> <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Freifunk" target="_blank">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Freifunk</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.masternewmedia.org/the-alternative-p2p-wireless-internet-network-the-netsukuku-idea/" target="_blank">http://www.masternewmedia.org/the-alternative-p2p-wireless-internet-network-the-netsukuku-idea/</a><br>
>> <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Netsukuku" target="_blank">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Netsukuku</a><br>
>> <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IEEE_802.11s" target="_blank">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IEEE_802.11s</a><br>
>> also<br>
>> "<a href="http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/12/non-centralised-" target="_blank">http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/12/non-centralised-</a><br>
>> infrastructure/index.htm:<br>
>>�<br>
>> " * YaCy is a search engine where many nodes share information to<br>
>> build a distributed index.<br>
>> * <a href="http://Status.Net" target="_blank">Status.Net</a> is a microblogging system that allows users to run<br>
>> their own Twitter-like site and federate selected streams with other<br>
>> systems.<br>
>> * Tahoe-LAFS is a high-redundancy file system that allows many<br>
>> systems to contribute to an encrypted and distributed storage system<br>
>> which nonetheless remains readable only to the owner of the files and<br>
>> not to the owner of the storage<br>
>> ....<br>
>> * Diaspora will hopefully be a social networking community where<br>
>> users can run their own federated "pods", thus owning their personal<br>
>> data and directly controlling what is shared with who.<br>
>> * OpenPGP encryption is based on self-issued certificates which<br>
>> gain authority as a result of a web of trust expressed via user-<br>
>> maintained keyrings rather than a hierarchical certificate authority<br>
>> system that can be centrally compromised.<br>
>> * There is discussion and prototyping of a P2P DNS in progress,<br>
>> without a root authority but rather with federated authority...<br>
>>�<br>
>> ... * Various federated identity approaches already exist for<br>
>> different use-cases, using mechanisms like OAuth and SAML.<br>
>> * Various experiments in using P2PTV video streaming technology<br>
>> exist, where the video stream is sourced from nearby users rather than<br>
>> always from a central provider.<br>
>> * And of course there are many P2P file distribution systems, as<br>
>> well as the GNUNet framework project.."<br>
>>�<br>
>> <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/%7Eallison/saito.html" target="_blank">http://www.stanford.edu/~allison/saito.html</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/" target="_blank">http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/%7Eley/db/indices/a-tree/s/Saito:Kenji.html" target="_blank">http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/indices/a-tree/s/Saito:Kenji.html</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.watsystems.net/watsystems-translation/english.html" target="_blank">http://www.watsystems.net/watsystems-translation/english.html</a><br>
>> <a href="https://twitter.com/jukux" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/jukux</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.accianco.jp/" target="_blank">http://www.accianco.jp/</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www2.media-art-online.org/%7Eks91/gsap2009f-ks91.pdf" target="_blank">http://www2.media-art-online.org/~ks91/gsap2009f-ks91.pdf</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www2.media-art-online.org/%7Eks91/gsap2009f-ks91-doc.pdf" target="_blank">http://www2.media-art-online.org/~ks91/gsap2009f-ks91-doc.pdf</a><br>
>>��<br>
>><br>
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>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>� - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
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