[P2P-F] challenging the identiarian agenda (Kevin Carson)

Fri Jul 6 15:28:50 CEST 2018

Glad to hear your assessment Kevin, though I have certainlly seen examples
of what Micha says here,

here's an analysis of a Black Marxist:
https://blackagendareport.com/are-intersectionalism-or-afro-pessimism-paths-power-probably-not-part-3-3

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> IMO there's a lot of straw here -- from what I've seen in my encounters
> with a whole lot of different left tendencies on social media, pure
> "identitarianism" is relatively minor. The overwhelming majority of those
> fighting for racial and gender justice are thoroughly intersectionalist,
> reject a focus on racial and gender identity at the expense of class, and
> see racial and gender oppression mutually interacting with and reinforcing
> class oppression and serving the interests of capital. To the extent that
> anyone in the real world elevates "identity politics" over economics and
> class, it's center-left establishment interests like supporters of Clinton.
> Intersectional theory was actually invented to counter the pure
> identitarian movements of the 1970s (like Second Wave feminism).
>
> And if there's anything that's guaranteed to set off the "mansplaining"
> radar of women and POC and actively alienate them, it's an article by a
> white guy trying to explain that structural racism and patriarchy are
> really not all that bad.
>
> In short, this article is an attempt to "fix" something that mostly doesn't
> exist outside the imaginations of brocialists like Freddie DeBoer, and it
> will be incredibly counter-productive in its effects. If anything, creating
> a dichotomy between identity and class will directly serve the interests of
> capital by creating new racial and gender tensions in the economic justice
> movement and making it easier, not harder, to fissure economic and class
> justice movements along  racial and gender lines.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:33 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > I recommend reading this important essay by Micha Narberhaus,  I would
> > also like to republish on our blog (advocacy is in cc)
> >
> > See http://smart-csos.org/blog-on-theory-and-practice/
> > 210-why-we-need-to-switch-the-story
> >
> > The essay deals with what I consider the serious exagerrations and
> > one-sidedness of the identitarian left, and how it settles on an
> exclusive
> > narrative based on oppression and discrimation at the detriment of more
> > integrative approaches.
> >
> > Here is a very thoughtful treatment that aims to create balance in
> > transitional strategies,
> >
> > Michel
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