[P2P-F] A globa-local synthesis of a possible city-supported public-commons partnership for climate- friendly and ecologically balanced provisioning systems

Mon Oct 9 14:12:50 CEST 2017

Thank you Roberto, this is very useful,

Michel

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 7:23 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org> wrote:

> May I add my few cents' worth to this discussion on growth, degrowth,
> steady state, etc.
>
> To introduce myself briefly: I am currently involved in social experiments
> in renewable energy, and we have since expanded this to sustainable
> technologies in general. We define a sustainable technology as one that
> involves a closed loop of material cycles run by renewable energy, where
> cycles of biodegradable materials and cycles of non-biodegradable materials
> (which McDonough and Braungart call "technical materials") are kept
> separate. Other technologies we actually work with include the system of
> rice intensification (SRI), which currently holds the world record in rice
> yield and can be implemented organically, low-power FM (in which the
> technology determines form and content to a significant extent), biogas
> digesters, a social (rather than technical) solution to power outages
> through the use of traditional and social media, and a few others.
>
> I think it was Daly too who distinguished between growth and development.
> Growth involves increases in quantity, while development may involve
> improvements in quality.
>
> As someone said earlier, "degrowth" is a politically untenable message
> especially in a country like the Philippines where almost a third of the
> population live below the poverty line. But calling for a shift in emphasis
> to development rather than growth is more easily defensible (plus of course
> a certain level of distribution).
>
> The point I wanted to contribute is that within our definition of
> sustainable technology, we can still imagine growth occurring when the
> material flows in the cycles I referred to above are increased as long as
> additional energy from renewable sources is available to feed into these
> cycles. So I can still see growth as a component in an overall strategy of
> development.
>
> By the way, her work is a bit dated now, but I still find Jane Jacobs'
> Cities and the Wealth of Nations and her paradigm of city-centered regional
> (i.e., sub-national) development very useful, especially if it is updated
> to take ecological matters as well as the information sector more into
> account.
>
> Greetings to all,
>
> Roberto Verzola
> Philippines
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 19:26:26 +0700
> Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>
> > very helpful Pat,
> >
> > in the articles, not books, that I've read by Daly, i saw no reference to
> > this,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 6:59 PM, pat commonfutures <
> > pat.commonfutures at phonecoop.coop> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Michel
> > >
> > > A key question Michel, here is my attempt to answer this. Others like
> > > Stephen Yeo may wish to chip in that know the history.
> > >
> > > Daly argues for a shift from growth economics to steady-state
> economics.
> > > The latter implies no capitalism. His argument is based on the
> forecasts by
> > > Adam Smith, JS Mill and Keynes that in future growth will decline when
> the
> > > opportunities for it dry up. Marx called this the accumulation crisis.
> From
> > > 1776 in the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith foresaw this endpoint in
> about
> > > 250 years. Keynes foresaw this in his Essay on the Future Economics of
> Our
> > > Grandchildren as happening about 2025. Mill did not give a date.
> > >
> > > The issue for Daly was what system would replace an economy without
> growth
> > > as other economists have foreseen such a state as leading to the abyss.
> > > Mill argued that with worker ownership of the means of production via
> > > worker co-ops and comprehensive land reform, this steady state could
> be a
> > > positive future for qualitative human development.
> > >
> > > Mill argued though that the ownership question was crucial to set the
> > > enabling circumstances for this. Hence his argument for land taxation
> to
> > > move property into common ownership or public ownership. Henry George
> takes
> > > his single tax idea directly from Mill. But Mill also argued as another
> > > crucial reform for worker ownership and he made the case that consumer
> > > co-ops were not sufficient. The reason for this Mill showed is that
> > > economic democracy and in fact full democracy required participative
> > > structures and educational reform to secure this. Only then could
> socialism
> > > be practical he felt. This was his argument against other
> non-democratic
> > > forms of socialism that he feared would lead to authoritarian outcomes.
> > >
> > > Polanyi is of this school of democratic socialism and Daly is a strong
> > > supporter of Polanyi in his books Beyond Growth and For the Common
> Good.
> > >
> > > There is a major problem with the history of socialism. Socialism was
> the
> > > term coined by the early Co-op movement in England from the 1820s.
> Robert
> > > Owen in particular called it also social science. He used the terms
> almost
> > > interchangeably. These socialists were also for land reform,
> co-operative
> > > land solutions and interest free money. Mill picked up his ideas for a
> > > democratic socialism from this original socialist movement. But Marx
> and
> > > Engels argued for communism and derided the early socialists as
> utopian and
> > > non-scientific. Sadly Marx also misunderstood money and the need for
> > > interest-free forms as the Owenite socialists, the Proudhonian
> socialists
> > > and other early co-op movements like these in the US understood.
> > >
> > > Polanyi followed all this and celebrates this in the Great
> Transformation
> > > and so did the Guild socialists who felt strongly about economic
> democracy
> > > (RH Tawney, GDH Cole, Bertrand Russell) and in the case of Clifford
> Douglas
> > > (who was very involved with the early guild socialist movement),
> monetary
> > > reform. Frederick Soddy picked up ideas from Douglas and Silvio Gesell
> in
> > > the 1920s and argued for 100% money free of interest and debt.
> > >
> > > Daly's arguments follows closely Polanyi and Soddy who he quotes and
> > > celebrates in Beyond Growth.
> > >
> > > But because Marx was muddled on the money question and weak on the need
> > > for economic democracy, Marxists are blind to the needs for really
> taking
> > > land, people and money out of the market as Polanyi showed the need
> for. A
> > > pity this as like Polanyi Marx saw labour, money and land enclosure so
> well
> > > and how they had been made into false commodities.
> > >
> > > I can recommend to you and others on this list an outstanding text book
> > > that should be core reading for Synergia students and the entire
> commons
> > > movement. It is by Mark Lutz and called Economics for the Common Good.
> > >
> > > John uses the term political economy and the need for a new political
> > > economy in relation to the partner state. I understand the reason why
> but I
> > > do think this is problematic historically as key words are important
> to be
> > > clear about. In the late 19th century, political economy and capitalism
> > > were one and the same thing.
> > >
> > > While the resisters to industrial capitalism coined the term socialism
> in
> > > the 1820s as the humane alternative, until the 1870s, capitalism was
> not a
> > > word really used. The term for it was political economy and this is why
> > > Marx wrote his Capital as a critique of political economy. It was with
> the
> > > publication of Capital that capitalism began to be used more widely.
> > >
> > > During the 19th century the movement against capitalism was indeed
> known
> > > as social economy and included the co-ops and the trade unions. Sadly
> the
> > > EU definition of social economy by Jacques Delor from the 1990s leaves
> out
> > > trade unions and only talks about Co-ops, Mutuals, Associations and
> > > Foundations (CMAF).
> > >
> > > The Lutz book traces a continuous strand of social economics from the
> late
> > > 18th century to today (sometimes also called co-operative economics)
> that
> > > is a radical strand of socialist thinking that avoids the blindspots of
> > > Marx.
> > >
> > > Also in Daly's book. For the Common Good, he talks about the work of
> > > Schumacher on innovative thinking viz. an ownership form for co-ops
> that
> > > could become intergenerational for securing the common good.
> Schumacher saw
> > > the solution as to ensure a structure of ownership in co-ops that
> required
> > > a strong common ownership foundation. This is very relevant to your
> work
> > > and to developing Social Solidarity Economy thinking. The Lutz book is
> > > vital guidance here and for how we best frame Synergia's pedagogy on
> these
> > > question and what this idea of Eco-socialism would look like. It would
> be a
> > > vitally needed synergia of social economics and ecological economics.
> > > Co-operative economics also ploughs in this direction if you look at
> the
> > > adherents.
> > >
> > > But there is no teaching of Co-op Economics within the international
> Co-op
> > > movement, though I think St. Mary's University in Halifax has run a
> course
> > > like this prior to an ICA meeting in Montreal not that long ago. I just
> > > heard this this week.
> > >
> > > Hope this is helpful.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >
> > > On 08 October 2017 at 08:37 Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I did read several pieces from Daly  but it seems to me he  is not
> > > challenging capitalism per se,
> > >
> > > anyone read him differently ?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 10:43 PM, pat commonfutures <
> > > pat.commonfutures at phonecoop.coop> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike and Michel
> > >
> > > Thanks Michel for the Commons Transition reports. Very good to see
> these.
> > > Your reply to Mike is also helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks also Mike for sharing the Stan Cox critique about renewable
> energy
> > > wishful thinking. I found the comments by David Schwartzman very
> persuasive
> > > about the Military Industrial Complex power elite and their focused
> role
> > > viz. fossil fuel geopolitics and nuclear energy. This is a very little
> > > discussed structural impediment.
> > >
> > > Also this confirms the need for Greens to focus on eco-soclalist ways
> > > forward. As Streeck argues, Growth is bound in its hands and feet with
> the
> > > Accumulation demands of capitalism and the money machine. Steady-state
> > > economics based on thermodynamics as Herman Daly so well articulates
> this
> > > necessitates a post capitalism system. Schwartzman underscores this.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > On 05 October 2017 at 06:09 Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > dear Michael,
> > >
> > > I will add some responses in-line
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Lewis <Lewiscccr at shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pat I really like the memo you sent. But I have several questions.
> > >  (Michel - I wrote this and then see you have replied to Pat) I will
> think
> > > about and perhaps comment later.  I the meantime here is my response
> to Pat)
> > >
> > > I am a poor student of history, but as I have come to understand Cole
> his
> > > guild strategy was rooted in the work place, although relevant to other
> > > kinds of association.  The role of the state was radially reduced. What
> > > emerged was a decentralized, democratic approach to provisioning, where
> > > workers were the central (but not only) actors.  Advise me here what I
> am
> > > missing.
> > >
> > > If this is the case there a large difference in what Michel is
> proposing?
> > > The foundation of his proposition is  public-commons partnerships. Is
> this
> > > not very different?  Given the radical difference in reference points -
> > > Cole with workers a the base and this 21st idea where globally mediated
> > > knowledge that enables localize production on an
> > > open-mutualized-cooperative basis; I wonder where the context renders
> some
> > > of Cole’s propositions less relevant.
> > >
> > >
> > > in my interpretation, the commons are themselves multi-stakeholders, so
> > > this include the workers and the user communities ; you may be familiar
> > > with the idea of some that today the workplace has exploded and is no
> > > longer confined to the factory; but there is an obvious linkage
> between the
> > > commons seen as the locus of co-production, and thus a sphere of
> production
> > > including workers, and industrial and craft workers as they used to
> exist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Second, as I understand it Michel, your proposition is critically
> > > dependent of an member cities to be active at the city and global
> level,
> > > the latter through associations. In short, cities are organized into a
> body
> > > the coordinates and governs the terms under which sourcing technical
> > > solutions is build and maintained on an open source base.  Question
> here
> > > Michel is whether access to the knowledge repository requires cities
> to be
> > > active members of the global mutual…??
> > >
> > >
> > > the code is open source, and would be accessible to everybody, but the
> > > right to commercialization of that code may be subjected to some
> > > reciprocity limitatations, in my opinion (reciprocity-based licensing)
> > >
> > >
> > > Third,  the territorial platform co-operatives become critical
> > > infrastructure for production, distribution and governing.  Michel…a
> > > question about the platform co-ops; are they conceived of as being
> > > multi-stakeholder and, if so, what is the role of local state actors,
> if
> > > any?
> > >
> > >
> > > yes, they are conceived as multi-stakeholder and I'm open to
> co-governance
> > > by local public actors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lastly,  I am wondering about the thinking to date on whether there
> will
> > > be limits to what is gathered into the global digital open source
> > > repository?  Is the focus on all the critical elements to aid and
> > > accelerate transition? Given the absolute urgencies emerging from
> climate
> > > breakdown, this might make senses. Or is it broader?  I think these are
> > > important questions as they will shape the counters of the politics
> that
> > > such a proposition would provoke.   Even if it is restricted to urgent
> > > transition related production, I can imagine that a global
> manufacturers of
> > > say, public transit vehicles,  and their employees,  would be none to
> > > pleased with a strategy that could has the potential for sidelining
> their
> > > businesses and jobs..   But, then again,  I may not be capturing the
> > > fullness of the vision.
> > >
> > >
> > > for me, this would work for all provisioning systems, and is connected
> to
> > > the climate/ecological/resource emergency of our time, i.e. this
> proposal
> > > is one of the crucial ways to radicallly reduce our material footprint
> > >
> > >
> > > One interesting and attractive feature of what Michel is proposing is
> the
> > > bypassing of national governments. Given the growing network of cities
> > > collaborating on climate breakdown and transition strategies, and for
> those
> > > involved, their leadership in advancing more progressive transition
> > > politics,  the proposal being put forward has a strategic context
> where it
> > > can be tested.
> > >
> > >
> > > national partner-state governments could decide at a later stage to
> join
> > > and support these global depositories
> > >
> > > by the way, this was written in the context of urban transitions, but I
> > > realize it could be stronger in stressing the role of the cooperative
> > > sector in supporting the deployment of such infrastructure
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyways, a bit more grist for the proverbial mill.
> > >
> > > Michael L
> > >
> > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Pat,
> > >
> > > as I was schooled in marxism in my youth, and subsequently abandoned
> it,
> > > this means that much of the tradition you speak of is completely
> unknown to
> > > me, I had simply no idea that georgism and guild socialism even
> existed and
> > > where so big back then ... for me there were revolutionaries,
> reformists
> > > and anarchists (and stalinists <g>) ...
> > >
> > > when I decided to embark on p2p work, I decided to make a clear break
> with
> > > my dogmatic past, and start constructing a 'low theory' that would be a
> > > more direct expression of what is happening and possible today. Hence
> in my
> > > wiki, I only include things that exist (no projects or plans) and use
> > > concepts that are born from the very movement I am observing.
> > >
> > > as much as I think it is necessary, I don't see it as a very realistic
> > > possibility for me to dig into that history, so I am very much
> counting on
> > > you for this historical context and genealogy!!
> > >
> > > one note, you will have seen in my approach a combination of the local
> and
> > > the global, bypassing the nation-state level.
> > >
> > > There is both a opportunistic and strategic reason for this
> > >
> > > Opportunistic as it appears in a report on urban transitions,
> > >
> > > but strategic as I see coalesced cities (and bioregions/territorities)
> as
> > > a crucial new part of transnational governance, which can't be a
> > > inter-statist world government, but must be based on global
> public-commons
> > > alliances
> > >
> > > quid with the nation-state,
> > >
> > > I am not dissing it, but I think nation-states should now support
> > > transnational commons infrastructures
> > >
> > > the double movement has become inoperative because of the
> > > trans-nationalization of capital; national revolutions carry great
> risks
> > > and dangers (syriza, venezuela), and keynesianism can only be a small
> part
> > > of the solution in the context of overshoot
> > >
> > > so what is a progressive majority in a nation-state to do, for sure,
> let
> > > it do green  new deals at the national level, but crucially, it must
> also
> > > understand that change today is not going to come from a frontal
> assault
> > > against a stronger enemy, but from a global coalition of change efforts
> > > everywhere, which are the only ones that can overwhelm the repressive
> > > capacity of the transnational empire
> > >
> > > in other words, progressive national governments must absolute support
> the
> > > kind of global commoning policies we are proposing and cannot limit
> their
> > > vision on their own citizens
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:21 PM, pat commonfutures <
> > > pat.commonfutures at phonecoop.coop> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michel
> > >
> > > Some feedback for consideration.....
> > >
> > > This is a really good summary and illustration. So much makes complete
> > > sense to me. Thanks so much for this articulation. I think it is rich
> and
> > > very helpful indeed. When will the report be coming out and who are the
> > > authors?
> > >
> > > I have a sense of deja vu however? So my comments are about the
> practical
> > > articulation and the dynamics as other forces are in play.  For the
> past
> > > two hundred plus years, the tension and indeed struggle between
> authority
> > > at the political level and the striving for democratic authority from
> the
> > > grassroots has been continuous and constant. Polanyi's Double movement
> > > therefore has many dynamic aspects to consider. How is it best to do
> this
> > > to be clear about the dialectical complexity?
> > >
> > > Stephen Yeo, a very close colleague of Robin Murray's over decades, is
> > > writing a book on the Three Socialisms. These are Statism (from social
> > > democracy to communism), Collectivism and Associationism. The last
> form is
> > > the most forms that are participatively democratic and includes working
> > > class self-help associations for mutual aid and including of course
> trade
> > > unions that we should try to include in your illustration of the
> layers.
> > >
> > > The ideas you are advancing are a rekindling of the debates and
> thinking
> > > from say 1900 right up to 1947 when the Cold War kicked off and when
> > > Statism thereafter effectively crushed and suppressed associative
> democracy
> > > thinking and ideas. Statists East and West told co-ops and unions
> thank,
> > > but no thanks. We are taking over to make your bits and pieces
> integrated
> > > and comprehensive.
> > >
> > > But to guide this earlier struggle by commoners, In 1919 GDH Cole
> produced
> > > his book Guild Socialism Restated when he set out a very clear
> blueprint
> > > with a remarkable coincidence with what you, David B, Janelle Orsi and
> > > others are working up here.
> > >
> > > What is very creative about the Cole proposals that Bertrand Russell
> fully
> > > supported in his book Roads to Freedom a century ago was to recognise
> > > clearly that political socialism (social democracy shall we say) and
> > > associative socialism need to be established at the territorial level
> and
> > > at the national level in a system of checks and balances with a clear
> and
> > > agreed division of labour between the politicos and the economic
> democrats.
> > >
> > > Essentially the proposal of Cole set out a blue print for how economic
> > > democracy though a Guild Congress at local, regional and national
> levels
> > > would relate and complement Parliamentary democracy. But what was
> wonderful
> > > about the Cole proposals is that it considered co-operative
> commonwealth
> > > building in all industries, services, arts and sciences and worked out
> > > sector solutions for them. Plus Cole also proposed that cities should
> be
> > > based on land held in commons to capture economic rent and to stop
> > > speculation. Thus he argued for co-operative garden cities.
> > >
> > > 20 years earlier in Fields Factories and Workshops had attempted a very
> > > creative blueprint as well for economic democracy and what in practice
> this
> > > would look like.
> > >
> > > Okay Polanyi did not arrive in the UK until about 1933 and his way to
> > > escape fascism was paid for by crowd funding by Guild Socialist, but
> given
> > > that in Vienna in the 1920s Polanyi was at the forefront of associative
> > > democracy solutions and thinking, you can see the resonance.
> > >
> > > Given that democratic socialism is being rekindled in parts of Europe
> > > (Spain, Portugal, the UK and elsewhere), I think it would helpful to
> > > connect the sound thinking from the 1920s before the lights began being
> > > turned out with what you are proposing.
> > >
> > > I would suggest we are rediscovering co-operative commonwealth thinking
> > > and practice which you are doing such a brilliant job of updating to
> the
> > > digital age.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps.  Drawing on the best practices from the past will
> > > enable us to contextualise the arguments and link these to this
> vernacular
> > > part of the Double Movement we should not overlook.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > On 04 October 2017 at 06:35 Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > this is the very last section of our report which will come out soon
> with
> > > the Boll foundation:
> > >
> > > 3.6. Towards a global infrastructure for commons-based provisioning
> > >
> > > We have argued in this overview that we are in a conjuncture in which
> > > commons-based mutualizing is one of the keys for sustainability,
> fairness
> > > and global-local well-being. In this conclusion, we suggest a global
> > > infrastructure, in which cities can play a crucial role.
> > >
> > > See the graphic below for the stacked layer that we propose, which is
> > > described as follows:
> > >
> > >    -
> > >
> > >    The first layer is the cosmo-local institutional layer. Imagine
> global
> > >    for-benefit associations which support the provisioning of
> infrastructures
> > >    for urban and territorial commoning. These are structured as global
> > >    public-commons partnerships, sustained by leagues of cities which
> are
> > >    co-dependent and co-motivated to support these new infrastructures
> and
> > >    overcome the fragmentation of effort that benefits the most
> extractive and
> > >    centralized ‘netarchical’ firms. Instead, these infrastructural
> commons
> > >    organizations co-support MuniRide, MuniBnB, and other applications
> > >    necessary to commonify urban provisioning systems. These are the
> global
> > >    “protocol cooperative” governance organizations.
> > >    -
> > >
> > >    The second layer consists of the actual global depositories of the
> > >    commons applications themselves, a global technical infrastructure
> for open
> > >    sourcing provisioning systems. They consists of what is globally
> common,
> > >    but allow contextualized local adaptations, which in turn can serve
> as
> > >    innovations and examples for other locales. These are the actual
> ‘protocol
> > >    cooperatives’, in their concrete manifestation as usable
> infrastructure.
> > >    -
> > >
> > >    The third layer are the actual local (urban, territorial,
> bioregional)
> > >    platform cooperatives, i.e. the local commons-based mechanisms that
> deliver
> > >    access to services and exchange platforms, for the mutualized used
> of these
> > >    provisioning systems. This is the layer where the Amsterdam FairBnb
> and the
> > >    MuniRide application of the city of Ghent, organize the services
> for the
> > >    local population and their visitors. It is where houses and cars are
> > >    effectively shared.
> > >    -
> > >
> > >    The potential fourth layer is the actual production-based open
> > >    cooperatives, where distributed manufacturing of goods and services
> > >    produces the actual material services that can be shared and
> mutualized on
> > >    the platform cooperatives.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > [image: Figure 8.png]
> > >
> > > Figure 8: City-supported cosmo-local production infrastructure
> > >
> > > --
> > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> > > http://commonstransition.org
> > >
> > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> > >
> > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> > > http://commonstransition.org
> > >
> > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> > >
> > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> > > http://commonstransition.org
> > >
> > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> > >
> > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> > >
> > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> > > http://commonstransition.org
> > >
> > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> > >
> > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> > >
> > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> http://commonstransition.org
> >
> >
> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
> >
> > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
> >Updates:
> > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
> >
> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>
>
> --
> Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
>

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Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org

P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

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