[P2P-F] Reflections on Trump, and the role of the commons as an alternative (Holy Mountain)

Sun Feb 12 06:24:37 CET 2017

Have anyone here read this? This resonates more strongly for me than Lakoff
and other analysis

I think Lakoff can capture "how" it happened, Wilber here more accurately
captures "why".

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Holy Mountain <kev.flanagan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The public debate is being shifted to the right in Europe and the US. The
> debate is no longer between conservative and liberal. The terms of debate
> are being framed by the anti-democratic ideas of the extreme right against
> democratic conservative/liberals.
> Few are equipped to recognise that there are fundamental philosophical
> issues at the heart of all this.
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> Consider these three sites as representing only a small sample who have
> had a huge boosts doubling or tripling their readership over the past year.
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> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/breitbart.com (Popular so called alt-light)
> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/infowars.com (Conspiratorial)
> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/stormfront.org (Nazi)
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> Consider the growth rate of 600% since 2012 and that was only up to
> September 2016 so it does not factor in the recent surge of interest in
> this kind of material that the above site statistics suggest - Berger's
> research compares the recruitment strategies of Isis and Nazi's on social
> media. Where there has been significant efforts made to curb Isis online
> when it comes to Nazi's things get legally tricky, have you heard Alt-Right
> cry 'Free Speech' lately?, so they don't face the same barriers to
> recruitment. Bergers prediction is that we are in for a very rough ten
> years as the democratic core of liberal democracies, government and media
> are not equipped for this. Those who shout loudest set the debate. My take
> is that mainstream politicians have assumed liberalism as a given
> particularly since 1989 and that makes them more like bureaucrats, they do
> not have a deep understanding of ideology and so they don't recognise it
> when it's staring them in the face. It is in this sense that I believe they
> are ill equipped.
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> Bergers Report -
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> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-
> nationalist-movement-twitter-faster-growth-isis-islamic-
> state-study-a7223671.html
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> Bergers Lecture
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65YJmfRbbPw
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> Nafeez Ahmed has done some excellent reporting on the growing influence of
> far right networks in Europe and the US
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> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-jo-coxs-
> killer-and-donald-trump-were-radicalised-by-a-global-web-
> of-nazi-power-cdba54aa1353#.juqha54s5
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> https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-trump-
> regime-was-manufactured-by-a-war-inside-the-deep-state-
> f9e757071c70#.rdo15x757
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> On 11 February 2017 at 08:25, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
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>> https://georgelakoff.com/2016/11/22/a-minority-president-why
>> -the-polls-failed-and-what-the-majority-can-do/
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>> dear Kevin, see also the analysis by george lakoff,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> 1. Re: Reflections on Trump, and the role of the commons as an
>>>       alternative (Holy Mountain)
>>>
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>>> Hello Michel,
>>>
>>> We had a visiting lecturer Douglas Holmes a few weeks ago who wrote a
>>> book
>>> called Fast Capitalism which examined the rise of the far right in Europe
>>> throughout the 1990's he interviewed Le Pen for example. He said
>>> something
>>> along these lines, at least as I interpreted, that people tend to see the
>>> far right as something in the past something we have moved on from, but
>>> what is misunderstood is that the emergence of fascism was in some ways
>>> inseparable from the emergence of Liberalism and Socialism, it is part
>>> and
>>> parcel of modernity, the elements that fascists draw on and
>>> instrumentalise
>>> for their reactionary anti-democratic cause are everywhere part of the
>>> make
>>> up of the modern world. In a broad cultural sense we are still
>>> collectively
>>> working through, both unconsciously and consciously, the enlightenment
>>> and
>>> counter enlightenment. Listening to the lectures of liberal political
>>> philosopher Isaiah Berlin, he presents a strong argument in support of
>>> this. The struggle between the forces of the enlightenment and
>>> counter-enlightenment were incredibly productive, in the progressive
>>> sense
>>> in that it opened up great scope for debate and exploration of what it
>>> means to be human in the modern world, giving birth to so much art and
>>> the
>>> social sciences, but those same tendencies, the importance of culture vs
>>> nature also gives birth to the comparison of cultures, the ranking of
>>> cultures, the privileging of cultures, the sanctity of culture. We rush
>>> to
>>> the defence of those marginalised by the rough reductionist mechanics of
>>> 'western civilisation' but the claim of the extreme right is that the
>>> same
>>> respect be afforded to conserve the culture of the privileged or at least
>>> their mythic appropriation and re-construction of it. They claim western
>>> cultural and technological superiority is evolution at work an essential
>>> expression of their identity and that "nature" should be let off the
>>> leash.
>>> In this sense they are essentialist and vitalists and find common cause
>>> with the survival of the fittest, might is right logics of
>>> Libertarians/ancaps.They share the belief that authority is not rooted in
>>> the constructions the rational or man made which risks critical scrutiny,
>>> rather authority is located 'natural law' or in the mystical the
>>> mythical,
>>> beyond the reach of reason or man made law, here is the extreme rights
>>> obsession with new age spiritualism and the occult. The man and machine
>>> are
>>> subservient and must always work in the service of myth. Its a pretty
>>> dark
>>> view of human beings to say the least but it should be clear how they can
>>> appropriate and mobilise certain cultural tendencies that normally are
>>> considered benign. The transcendent Hero, the Superman, the Warrior for
>>> example.
>>>
>>> Berlin's lectures do not look so much at contemporary fascism as much as
>>> the ideological roots in the counter-enlightenment, Vico, Harmann, Herder
>>> and then De Maistre who he particularly terms a proto fascist. In the 3
>>> lectures on culture he follow Vico to Harmann. Then there are two other
>>> lectures one on Harmann and De Maistre.
>>>
>>> http://mediapub.it.ox.ac.uk/feeds/129062/audio.xml
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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