[P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource

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I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and
wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging,

but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact,
what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to
create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the
commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism
that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to
these platforms

that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in
commodity labor,

Michel

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <
tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great
> interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the
> future of labor.
>
> Here's my first gut reaction to this.
>
> The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But
> if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the
> same.
> Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways of
> organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ...
> All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are
> under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared
> according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an
> accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are
> thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of
> intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I
> see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are
> driven by the crowd, for the crowd.
>
> If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized
> crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then
> labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and
> rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you
> may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of
> forces.
>
> If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition
> disappears.
>
> There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital
> being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience
> with servicing corporations.
>
> Some links
>
> Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExswh7Lw/edit>
> On redistribution of resources
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCuf8y0/edit>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
> > wrote:
>
>> thanks Tom,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on
>>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework
>>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd:
>>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-for-the-Good-Society
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom,
>>>>
>>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour
>>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the
>>>> practicalities of how this would work ?
>>>>
>>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's
>>>>
>>>> how does that relate to your ideas,
>>>>
>>>> for example:
>>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organizations_with_Classical_Institutions
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd)
>>>>         Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler)
>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
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>>>>
>>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place. It
>>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed.
>>>>
>>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the
>>>> commons
>>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions have
>>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work
>>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A fair
>>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common
>>>> pool
>>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely
>>>> different,
>>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security
>>>> and
>>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are prioritized.
>>>> I've
>>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and Paul
>>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>
>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>
>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
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>>
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>>
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>
>
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> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network
> (or open enterprise)
> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy
> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>:
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Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org


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