[P2P-F] Micro and nano-tribunes and power generators

Sun Jan 10 23:39:02 CET 2016

Thanks for the url. Yes, it looks like a very good approach. It can
work not only with pipes whose contents flow downhill, but also in
households where the pressure is unnecessarily high. The idea should
also work not only with drinking water but with all kinds of fluids.

The Philippine National Irrigation Administration (NIA) had a
similar idea. They have a hydroelectric section within their
organization that taps irrigation systems flowing downhill to harvest
electricity. There's a lot of hydro resources waiting to be tapped.

Greetings,

Roberto

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:52:23 -0500
Devin Balkind <devin at sarapis.org> wrote:

> Portland, Oregon makes electricity with turbines in their pipes.
> 
> Good article about it:
> https://magazine.good.is/articles/portland-pipeline-water-turbine-power
> 
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > dear Roberto,
> >
> > we would be happy to serialize your findings if you have time to
> > select parts of your book,
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rverzola at gn.apc.org');>> wrote:
> >
> >> In fact you don't have to go nano or wait for other esoteric and
> >> untested technologies for renewable technologies to undermine the
> >> current energy paradigms.
> >>
> >> Rooftop solar is now spreading rapidly due to the continuing
> >> declines in solar panel prices, enabling households to generate
> >> their own electricity. This creates a situation where they will be
> >> sending their surplus to the grid some of the time, and getting
> >> their additional supply from the grid at some other times. Thus,
> >> they will be engaging in peering arrangements with the grid
> >> itself, which are actually P2P transactions. At some point when
> >> P2P transactions over the grid exceed the amount that central
> >> power plants provide to non-generating customers, the grid will
> >> start taking on more and more the nature of a public commons. Then
> >> we should see the same kinds of debates between privatized
> >> infrastructures and the commons that have arisen elsewhere.
> >>
> >> I also discussed in the paper how microhydro and microwind, by
> >> getting smaller instead of larger, and if this can result in one
> >> or a few orders of magnitude price reductions, as happened with
> >> integrated circuits, can put them in production levels where the
> >> economics of increasing returns to scale is activated.
> >>
> >> By the way, I've written a separate paper analyzing the P2P
> >> transactions between the grid and solar owners under net metering.
> >> Those who are interested may google "pseudo-net-metering
> >> double-charges customers". This may be very relevant to countries
> >> where net metering is implemented and where utilities insist on
> >> charging lower than retail price, which results in
> >> double-charging. I use very simple math in the paper to show
> >> exactly where the double-charging happens.
> >>
> >> Requiring net metering is such an important policy enabler for
> >> microsolar, that utilities are now campaigning very hard against
> >> it.
> >>
> >> A lot of exciting things, such as battery storage costs starting
> >> on a downhill trend, are happening in the renewables area. I urge
> >> people to look more closely into this sector, if you haven't yet.
> >>
> >> Some of these are discussed in my book Crossing Over: The Energy
> >> Transition to Renewable Electricity, published last year but also
> >> freely available online (just google the title).
> >>
> >> The sector will also need in the near future new paradigms and
> >> business models to properly appropriate the new values created by
> >> the new types of P2P energy exchanges that are emerging.
> >>
> >> Greetings to all,
> >>
> >> Roberto
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings to all,
> >>
> >> Roberto
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 02:47:24 +0100
> >> Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','orsan1234 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The title got me think of real micro- or nano-turbine
> >> > technologies being developed to produce electricity. For
> >> > instance, if used inside water pipes and ways, such technology
> >> > would turn entire city and rural delivery and sanitation systems
> >> > more productive at the micro and nano levels then huge dams and
> >> > other smaller central hydro electricity generators. Something
> >> > like this could complete the convergence between energy and
> >> > communication technologies as in Rifkin's theory, at the same
> >> > physical level. While thinking on this remembered once seeing a
> >> > working nano-engine being used at an experiment at CERN at the
> >> > atomic level. Of course if engine do exist then tribune should
> >> > also be so. Googled "nano tribune electricity" and found that it
> >> > does exist, and developed:
> >> > http://www.nanowerk.com/news2/green/newsid=27983.php
> >> > http://www.homepower.ca/dc_hydro.htm In case collectively opened
> >> > up, peer to peer produced, and implemented, these really micro
> >> > power technologies would not only destroy the state and
> >> > corporate monopoly over the energy production, but also Harvey's
> >> > pessimistic argument about we people's being dependent on
> >> > central structures for the creation and maintenance of large
> >> > infrastructures and services, as dams, roads, hospitals and
> >> > schools. If Sensorica, or any open science groups would go
> >> > towards this direction, it would obviously more impactful than
> >> > it sounds. Best, Orsan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPad
> >> > > On 8 jan. 2016, at 23:23, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rverzola at gn.apc.org');>>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I just finished the piece "Can micropower be as deep a
> >> > > game-changer as microprocessing?" It can be downloaded at:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> https://rverzola.wordpress.com/2016/01/07/can-micropower-become-as-deep-a-game-changer-as-microprocessing/
> >> > >
> >> > > By "deep", I mean being able to change the rules of the game
> >> > > not only within the industry itself but in society as a whole.
> >> > > In the piece, I note that the declining prices of renewables
> >> > > such as solar and wind seem to have brought the renewables
> >> > > sector at the same take-off point that microprocessing was
> >> > > some three decades ago.
> >> > >
> >> > > I analyze the developments from the perspective I've been
> >> > > pursuing, which is the perspective of abundance. I note that
> >> > > these declining prices, exponential increases in production,
> >> > > and expanding markets are bringing these renewables into
> >> > > operating points where the economics of increasing returns to
> >> > > scale start to take-over, leading to a virtuous cycle of more
> >> > > rounds of price declines and higher production, the same kind
> >> > > of economic growth pattern we have seen in the information
> >> > > sector. These are typical features of the onset of abundance.
> >> > >
> >> > > I discuss in the piece what might be the conditions that can
> >> > > make small-scale generation with renewables as deep a
> >> > > game-changer as microprocessors have been.
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings to all,
> >> > >
> >> > > Roberto Verzola
> >> > > Philippines
> >> > >
> >> > > PS. Those who want more details about developments in
> >> > > renewables from the perspective of a developing country, you
> >> > > can also download my recent book, CROSSING OVER: THE ENERGY
> >> > > TRANSITION TO RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. Just google the title.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:03:57 +0700
> >> > > Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','michel at p2pfoundation.net');>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> see
> >> > >>
> >> http://excellencereporter.com/2016/01/07/michel-bauwens-the-meaning-that-we-give-to-life/
> >> > >
> >> > >
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