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"The achilles heel of Syriza has been its simultaneous commitment to ending
disastrous austerity and remaining in the euro. That has reflected Greek
public opinion. But there was never going to be an honourable compromise
with the creditors, or much mileage in trying to persuade the authorities
they were good Europeans. For the euro elite, the dangers of Grexit are
outweighed by the risk that larger states could follow a successful Greek
stand against austerity.
Tsipras and Syriza=E2=80=99s determination to stay in the eurozone come wha=
t may
has seriously weakened Greece=E2=80=99s hand. The economic dislocation of j=
umping
off the euro train would doubtless be severe in the short term, though the
costs of permanent austerity would almost certainly be greater thereafter
<http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/29/joseph-stiglitz-how-i-woul=
d-vote-in-the-greek-referendum>
.
But Syriza insiders say there is little preparation for what anyway may be
forced on them. The relentless pressure of the EU bureaucracy demands a
strong and clear-headed response. Right now, for example, that means the
Athens government immediately taking control of its banks, currently
shutting down all transactions.
Syriza's' achilles heel has been its commitment to ending austerity while
remaining in the euro
The worst outcome of this crisis would be for Syriza to implement the
austerity it was elected to end. A yes vote in next weekend=E2=80=99s refer=
endum
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jun/30/greece-euro-re=
ferendum-100-greeks-give-their-view>,
if it goes ahead, would probably lead to the government=E2=80=99s fall, and=
almost
certainly new elections. But even a no vote, which would offer the best
chance for Greece, would need to be followed by more radical measures if
the government was going to strengthen its negotiating hand or prepare the
ground for euro exit.
The real risk across Europe <http://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news> =
is
that if Syriza caves in or collapses, that failure will be used to turn
back the rising tide of support for anti-austerity movements such as
Podemos in Spain, or Sinn F=C3=A9in in Ireland, leaving the field to populi=
sts
of the right.
Either way, any Greek euro deal that fails to write off unrepayable debt or
end the austerity squeeze will only postpone the crisis. If the Syriza
government survives, it will have to change direction. Its fate, and its
chaotic confrontation with the eurozone=E2=80=99s overlords, is going to sh=
ape all
of Europe=E2=80=99s future."
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:51 AM
Subject: [NetworkedLabour] Guardian piece: Syriza cave in elite regime
change
To: "<networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org>" <
networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org>
via Kees van der Pijl:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/syriza-cave-in-elites-=
regime-change
and this is his recent piece:
Rebellion in Athens: https://www.academia.edu/13425334/Rebellion_in_Athens
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded messag=
e ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Michel Bauwens</b> <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net">michel at p2pfou=
ndation.net</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:54 PM<br>Subject:=
Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Guardian piece: Syriza cave in elite regime change<=
br>To: "<a href=3D"mailto:tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net">tapas at lists.p=
2pfoundation.net</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.=
net">tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>><br><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">From=
Kees van der PIjl:<div><br></div><div>"<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51=
,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web',Georgia,serif;font-si=
ze:medium;line-height:24px">The achilles heel of Syriza has been its simult=
aneous commitment to ending disastrous austerity and remaining in the euro.=
That has reflected Greek public opinion. But there was never going to be a=
n honourable compromise with the creditors, or much mileage in trying to pe=
rsuade the authorities they were good Europeans. For the euro elite, the da=
ngers of Grexit are outweighed by the risk that larger states could follow =
a successful Greek stand against austerity.</span><p style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 1rem;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egypt=
ian Web',Georgia,serif;font-size:medium;line-height:24px">Tsipras and S=
yriza=E2=80=99s determination to stay in the eurozone come what may has ser=
iously weakened Greece=E2=80=99s hand. The economic dislocation of jumping =
off the euro train would doubtless be=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.theguardia=
n.com/business/2015/jun/29/joseph-stiglitz-how-i-would-vote-in-the-greek-re=
ferendum" style=3D"color:rgb(0,86,137);border-bottom-width:0.0625rem;border=
-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(220,220,220);text-decoration:no=
ne!important;background:transparent" target=3D"_blank">severe in the short =
term, though the costs of permanent austerity would almost certainly be gre=
ater thereafter</a>.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1rem;padding:0px;color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web',Georgia,serif=
;font-size:medium;line-height:24px">But Syriza insiders say there is little=
preparation for what anyway may be forced on them. The relentless pressure=
of the EU bureaucracy demands a strong and clear-headed response. Right no=
w, for example, that means the Athens government immediately taking control=
of its banks, currently shutting down all transactions.</p><blockquote sty=
le=3D"margin:0px"><p style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(11=
8,118,118);font-size:1.25rem;line-height:1.5rem;font-family:'Guardian E=
gyptian Web','Guardian Text Egyptian Web',Georgia,serif">Syriza=
's' achilles heel has been its commitment to ending austerity while=
remaining in the euro</p></blockquote><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1rem;padd=
ing:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web'=
;,Georgia,serif;font-size:medium;line-height:24px">The worst outcome of thi=
s crisis would be for Syriza to implement the austerity it was elected to e=
nd. A yes vote in=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-inter=
active/2015/jun/30/greece-euro-referendum-100-greeks-give-their-view" style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,86,137);border-bottom-width:0.0625rem;border-bottom-style:s=
olid;border-bottom-color:rgb(220,220,220);text-decoration:none!important;ba=
ckground:transparent" target=3D"_blank">next weekend=E2=80=99s referendum</=
a>, if it goes ahead, would probably lead to the government=E2=80=99s fall,=
and almost certainly new elections. But even a no vote, which would offer =
the best chance for Greece, would need to be followed by more radical measu=
res if the government was going to strengthen its negotiating hand or prepa=
re the ground for euro exit.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1rem;padding:0px=
;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Egyptian Web',Georg=
ia,serif;font-size:medium;line-height:24px">The real risk across=C2=A0<a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news" style=3D"color:rgb(0,86=
,137);border-bottom-width:0.0625rem;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom=
-color:rgb(220,220,220);text-decoration:none!important;background:transpare=
nt" target=3D"_blank">Europe</a>=C2=A0is that if Syriza caves in or collaps=
es, that failure will be used to turn back the rising tide of support for a=
nti-austerity movements such as Podemos in Spain, or Sinn F=C3=A9in in Irel=
and, leaving the field to populists of the right.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px=
0px 1rem;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Guardian Text Eg=
yptian Web',Georgia,serif;font-size:medium;line-height:24px">Either way=
, any Greek euro deal that fails to write off unrepayable debt or end the a=
usterity squeeze will only postpone the crisis. If the Syriza government su=
rvives, it will have to change direction. Its fate, and its chaotic confron=
tation with the eurozone=E2=80=99s overlords, is going to shape all of Euro=
pe=E2=80=99s future."</p><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D=
"h5">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sen=
dername">Orsan</b> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:orsan1234 at gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">orsan1234 at gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sat, Jul=
4, 2015 at 4:51 AM<br>Subject: [NetworkedLabour] Guardian piece: Syriza ca=
ve in elite regime change<br>To: "<<a href=3D"mailto:networkedlabou=
r at lists.contrast.org" target=3D"_blank">networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org<=
/a>>" <<a href=3D"mailto:networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">networkedlabour at lists.contrast.org</a>><br><br><br><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><div>via Kees van der Pijl:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
"http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/syriza-cave-in-elites=
-regime-change" target=3D"_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/=
2015/jul/01/syriza-cave-in-elites-regime-change</a></div><div><br></div><di=
v>and this is his recent piece:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Rebellion in=
Athens: <a href=3D"https://www.academia.edu/13425334/Rebellion_in_Athens" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.academia.edu/13425334/Rebellion_in_Athens</a>=
</div><div><br></div></div><br></div></div>________________________________=
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