[P2P-F] [commoning] [Commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament

Fri Feb 13 00:59:23 CET 2015

i'm not aware of movements, but these are interesting initiatives,

http://p2pfoundation.net/Proof_Of_Concept_21

http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Circular_Economy

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Ellen Friedman <ellen at ellenfriedman.com>
wrote:

> The movement of movements clearly is beginning to coalesce. In the US,
> widespread networks in the climate movement are beginning to organize
> together and are connecting with other movements like #BlackLivesMatter. It
> looks like we’ll use cop15 Paris as a target date for a climax to a cascade
> of actions. Another prime opportunity this year for the commons movement is
> to connect with the climate movement. Is anyone organizing to treat climate
> change as a commons problem? I heard about the Sky Trust idea years ago,
> but I’m not aware of any current efforts to connect climate justice with
> the commons.
>
> Ellen
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Orsan <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> this sounds very good and what is needed indeed. In case there is a call
> from Greek commoners,  May would become a spring for the commons in Greece
> and beyond! Just replied to Vasilis and Michel saying that ECB action in
> March, and WSF in Tunis will be key spaces to converge further,  as wide
> forces as possible, to give full support to Greece, and Kobane, then will
> Spain join in, with Podemos it seems, g20 istanbul and cop15 Paris would be
> movement spaces to converge further.
>
> This seems like a once in a life time moment to build the fellowship of
> the commons and turn the tide, towards 2016 and 2017!
>
> Orsan
>
> On 12 feb. 2015, at 20:11, George Pór <george.por at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How about international commoner brigades
> to support whatever is needed
> for the peer-to-peer renewal of the Greek economy and society?
>
> That could be our response to the attempt of the international capital to
> squeeze the life out from an alternative to its reign...
>
> george
>
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> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Jagdev <markjagdev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think many would back a campaign to make this happen. I would donate
>> and we all know others that would also.
>> Mark
>> ------------------------------
>> From: Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ‎12/‎02/‎2015 16:54
>> To: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>; Roberto Verzola
>> <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b at gmail.com>;
>> tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net; p2p-foundation
>> <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>; Commoning
>> <commoning at lists.commons-institut.org>; Eleftherios Kosmas
>> <elkosmas at gmail.com>; George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>; Commoning
>> List <commoning at lists.wissensallmende.de>
>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President
>> explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament
>>
>> This is the high time for forming the rapid deployment force. Can't we
>> call all pool rapid funds, coop-funding, crowdfunding, self-funding...
>> so on to make this happen. If not now, when?
>>
>> Orsan
>>
>> Michel Bauwens schreef op 12-2-2015 om 17:45:
>> > there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ...
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in
>> >> Greece...
>> >>
>> >> Roberto Verzola
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700
>> >> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele at commonsabundance.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear Friends,
>> >>>
>> >>> Very interesting discussion!
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p
>> >>> concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in
>> >>> touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be
>> >>> useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)
>> >>> there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere
>> >>> (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that
>> >>> break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are
>> >>> actual models that can be implemented and there are people both
>> >>> inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek
>> >>> negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new
>> >>> approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a
>> >>> resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results
>> >>> for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would
>> >>> then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in
>> >>> this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there
>> >>> are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear
>> >>> from you what you think about this.
>> >>>
>> >>> By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,
>> >>> when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is
>> >>> that personal connection!
>> >>>
>> >>> Best wishes,
>> >>> Wolfgang
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -------- Original Message --------
>> >>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely
>> >>> endorses commons strategy before parliament
>> >>> From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com>
>> >>> Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm
>> >>> To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com>
>> >>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b at gmail.com>,
>> >>> p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org, Commoning
>> >>> <commoning at lists.commons-institut.org>,
>> >>> "tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas at lists.p2pfoundation.net>,
>> >>> Commoning List <commoning at lists.wissensallmende.de>
>> >>>
>> >>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation.
>> >>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2
>> >>> (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an
>> >>> important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to
>> >>> the commons ideas.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>> George
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
>> >>> <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished
>> >>> message.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to
>> >>> translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and
>> >>> linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not
>> >>> be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
>> >>>
>> >>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>> >>>
>> >>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
>> >>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
>> >>> of the commons personally and in public is the following.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with
>> >>> a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events
>> >>> happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and
>> >>> now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the
>> >>> collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually
>> >>> spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in
>> >>> the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the
>> >>> deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by
>> >>> addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social
>> >>> security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in
>> >>> Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced
>> >>> forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a
>> >>> strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which
>> >>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,
>> >>> optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the
>> >>> Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of
>> >>> pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for
>> >>> us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity
>> >>> and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of
>> >>> different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that
>> >>> these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are
>> >>> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by
>> >>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in
>> >>> Greece and worldwide. Thank you.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Greek speakers could find the original here.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas
>> >>> <elkosmas at gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr
>> >>> Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind
>> >>> that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek
>> >>> language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am
>> >>> not a trained translator)
>> >>>
>> >>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>> >>>
>> >>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
>> >>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter
>> >>> of the commons.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list
>> >>> <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis,
>> >>>
>> >>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,
>> >>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when
>> >>> conditions are right ..
>> >>>
>> >>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on
>> >>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer
>> >>> term change,
>> >>>
>> >>> Michel
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis
>> >>> <kostakis.b at gmail.com> wrote: Michel,
>> >>>
>> >>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find
>> >>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.
>> >>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was
>> >>> what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George
>> >>> Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he
>> >>> highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south
>> >>> can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,
>> >>> George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the
>> >>> situation and give us time for experimentation".
>> >>>
>> >>> Let's see...
>> >>>
>> >>> v.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens
>> >>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news:
>> >>>
>> >>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?
>> >>> especially in english ?
>> >>>
>> >>> see:
>> >>>
>> >>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his
>> >>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new
>> >>> bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global
>> >>> orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable
>> >>> development."
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>> >>>
>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>> >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>> >>>
>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>> >>>
>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
>> >>>
>> >>> Senior Research Fellow
>> >>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
>> >>>
>> >>> Research Director
>> >>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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>> >>>
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