[P2P-F] [tapas] Re: Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament

Thu Feb 12 17:46:04 CET 2015

I just asked vasilis,

also already spreading the news via fb and twitter,

Michel

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, jules peck <jules at flourishingenterprise.org
> wrote:

> It would be great if someone close to this were to blog about this so we
> can spread the word.
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM, George Papanikolaou <
> georgepapani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation.
>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 (not
>> to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an important
>> statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to the commons
>> ideas.
>>
>> Best regards
>> George
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for my previous half finished message.
>>>
>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate
>>> some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic
>>> differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to
>>> convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
>>>
>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>>>>
>>>
>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons
>>> based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the
>>> commons personally and in public is the following.
>>>
>>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with a
>>>> general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events happening that
>>>> only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and now a historic era,
>>>> characterized not only by the crisis and the collapse of obsolete models,
>>>> but we live a crisis that eventually spawned new models and new social
>>>> organization models, as was done in the past. In this sense, then, this is
>>>> an opportunity to take up the deficits of the past, to close this
>>>> modernization deficit, but by addressing the contemporary social problem of
>>>> unemployment, social security and social exclusion. This could establish a
>>>> new paradigm in Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining
>>>> advanced forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a
>>>> strong foundation of *common goods*, a society-centric model, which
>>>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, optimism
>>>> in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the Guenna-pig of austerity
>>>> and destruction could be the a ground of pioneering ideas and policies, and
>>>> the benefit would not be just for us. The world would become a security
>>>> goal in a region of insecurity and "aged" Europe could re-discover through
>>>> the symbiosis of different development models inside. Let's not rush some
>>>> say that these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic.
>>>> Are those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by
>>>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in Greece and
>>>> worldwide. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Greek speakers could find the original here.
>>>
>>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041
>>>
>>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate
>>>> some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic
>>>> differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to
>>>> convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
>>>>
>>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
>>>>
>>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a
>>>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of
>>>> the commons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list <
>>>> p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> understood Vasilis,
>>>>>
>>>>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,
>>>>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when conditions
>>>>> are right ..
>>>>>
>>>>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on
>>>>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer term
>>>>> change,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michel
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis <
>>>>> kostakis.b at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find
>>>>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.
>>>>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was what the
>>>>>> vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George Papanikolaou's
>>>>>> reaction in relation to my message, in which he highlights that
>>>>>> Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south can open the way to
>>>>>> new productive relations". In addition to this, George emphasizes that "the
>>>>>> priority now is to stabilize the situation and give us time for
>>>>>> experimentation".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> v.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is very important news:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?
>>>>>>> especially in english ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his
>>>>>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new bottom-up,
>>>>>>> Commons-based productive models which will have a global orientation and
>>>>>>> will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable development."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Senior Research Fellow
>>>>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Research Director
>>>>>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>>>>
>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> All the best
> Jules
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-- 
Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan

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