[P2P-F] why did the p2p blog attack open sources ecologies on April 1 2013?

[Kevin Carson]

He's as skeptical about them as you are about CIC, and trying not to
view them through rose-colored glasses. OSE has had problems with
Marcin's Type-A, one-man leadership style for a long time.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Gordon Cook <cook at cookreport.com> wrote:
>
> Michel or whomever wrote this?  whatever were you thinking?  I will publish
> a 45 page report on them in about two weeks.  Has anyone in the p2p
> community paid them a visit in the past 15 months? You attempted to sign
> their death knell by talking the 6 most nasty comments out of 82 on their
> public forum very much out of context.  Did you ask anyone what had happened
> or did you just grab only the most negative of the malcontents remarks?  You
> have an item in your wiki on them that also features the nasty attack of
> april1 2013.  Why?  Do you want them dead?  You have the added flourish of
> ethical issues
>
> 6.1 Ethical Issues at OSE
>
> there have been repeated departures at the compound you claim and list five
> entries - 3 related to the same 2009 incident and two related to march 2013
> why?
>
> have you ever stopped to think what could now be written about YOU in
> ecuador and the ethical issues in the way you presented that project?
>
> I spent a half a day at factor e farm obj june 25.  The place was thriving.
> OSE is perhaps as popular or more so than P2p.  Is  the world not big enough
> for you both?  You took the worst writing of people who felt burned by their
> experience and when some said of their compatriots said in effect that the
> worst criticism were exaggerated and where there were some defenders as well
> as critics of marcin and you presented only the dark side... WHY?
>
> were you ever curious about what happened to him?  I was....   and he learned
> from the problems that his attempt to push ahead too rapidly in 2012 caused.
> Did you?
>
> what follows is a partial draft of my exec summary for the FeF issue.  I am
> trying to do due diligence here and asking you to comment just incase i
> misinterpreted something.  Will you?
>
>
>
>
>
> April 1 2013 Michel Bauwens P2P Foundation Blog posted an item called
> "crisis at open source ecologies"  see
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Ecology   and
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-there-a-crisis-in-open-source-ecology/2013/04/01
> that described the third mass leaving in the organizations history with the
> conclusion this time there would be bad press and the organization's sources
> of funding would dry up and it would likely not survive, I was extremely
> disappointed.  At that point in time i had no way of checking for myself.
> Also prior to Bauwens' Ecuador fiasco I had no reason not to believe what he
> wrote.  Consequently I put it out of my mind until in June of this year,
> when visiting Kansas City, it also became possible to visit Marcin.
>
> Fifteen months after Bauwens' report, Marcin was still very much in
> business.  I made it my objective to find out as best i could what had
> happened. There was a crisis.  But it seems not to have been as grim as
> Bauwens described it. My best conclusion follows: in 2011 Marcin had another
> Ted appearance where the video truly went viral and he became a senior Ted
> fellow got some serious monetary support.  This led Marcin to develop an
> very ambitious schedule to pursue about 3.5 million in funding to embark on
> a schedule that would finish all the tools within two years.  Marcin began
> to spend a lot of the time away from the "farm".  Two of the three of his
> lead designers rebelled.  Although the Hab Lab and Workshop construction had
> begun, life at the farm was physically difficult. Finally in March of 2013
> in the OSE Forum someone announced that it had become very quiet lately and
> asked what was gong on.
>
> This prompted an outpouring of grievances all written in the month of March
> 2013. In my interview with Marcin I tried to find out his take on what had
> happened.  Marcin was quite candid, especially considering the fact that I
> had not located the original P2P blog piece by the time of the visit and was
> gong on memory. As Marcin explained it a major part of the problem was that
> they did not have a business model.  But they were developing one that
> involved a slower and more deliberate pace of builds focused on workshops
> held at the farm and also focused on profit sharing with the developer.
> Based on what i saw and have documents with photos that I took, I can say
> that it seems to me that he has a solid infrastructure in place that should
> very adequately support the plans he described.
>
> One thing that I do not understand and is somewhat tangential to the overall
> issue is the role of Michel Bauwens in using material from OSE's forum to
> savagely attack it. The way the page is formatted it appears as though the
> comment about 3rd leaving is written by Michel as his introduction.  It is
> not.  It is a quote from one of the complainers.  Michel's post is made-up
> of 6 quoted excerpts from the forum. Six comments out of 82. It appears to
> me that he choose the nastiest 6 quotes in the while discussion.  Why I
> don't know. What he was thinking i don't know.  There were several positive
> quotes.  Michel used none and provided no context for what he was doing.
> Very strange when 5 years earlier he had written about Marcin with gushing
> praise.  "The most important project in the world of which i am aware . . ."
> Did he ask anyone in his rather large group for opinions or for independent
> information?  Not that I know of.
>
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