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they collaborate with us to tailor a plan of this type for the development
of CIC in the following 5-10 years. The objective is not as a theoretical
approximation, but to contribute towards identifying and developing key
strategic projects that might enable the production of tangible and
intangible commons to become one of the reference characteristics of the
CIC=E2=80=99s approach to production.
The P2P Foundation has responded enthusiastically to the proposal, amongst
other reasons because they will bring their experience and knowledge to a
grassroots initiative like ours. We are already beginning to form a joint
working group so as to get started with our work. Michel Bauwens, the P2P
foundation=E2=80=99s co-founder, expressed his intention to find funding fo=
r this
project through several independent european foundations.
In addition to these initiatives, as strategic partners, new ways for
collaboration will most certainly appear in the future.=E2=80=9D
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 08/02/2014 01:29 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
>> I have one question, you say Minqi Li says there is no longer a reserve
>> periphery .. but what about Africa ? (and the rise of latin america in
>> the naugthies ?)
>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Rise_of_China_and_the_Demise_of_
>> the_Capitalist_World-Economy
>>
>
> Minqi Li's claim is that too many formerly peripheral countries --
> especially the giants, India and China -- have moved into the position of
> what the world systems theorists call "semi-peripheral" countries,
> supplying mid-range or partially elaborated products to the central,
> high-technology producers. The result is a declining pool of people to
> exploit, both in terms of labor and resources, and in terms of defenseles=
s
> markets that must necessarily buy products from the center. When large
> percentages of the world population have access to at least mid-level
> producer technology, capital can no longer accumulate at the former
> centers, whose power declines. The current state of affairs in Western
> Europe and the US/Canada seems to bear this thesis out.
>
> In such a perspective, Michel, your ideas and those of everyone working o=
n
> p2p and commons approaches become far more pertinent. When the centers of
> capital accumulation can off the fruits of very high technology to all of
> those, across the world, who rise into the middle classes, then there is
> scant likelihood of winning them over to a cooperative approach -- the
> powers of capitalist seduction are just too strong. Yet in a condition of
> long-term stagnation, coupled with environmental threats stemming directl=
y
> and visibly from capital accumulation, alternative proposals may become
> much more attractive across a flattening global hierarchy.
>
> Of course I agree with Orsan that everything possible must always be trie=
d
> right now. But it is encouraging to realize that over the middle term,
> there are some dynamics going our way. It is tough to sustain the
> fascist-type solution for very long. Too many people have too much agency=
,
> even under severe conditions. If it is true that capitalism can no longer
> produce employment of even the precarious kind that prevailed under the
> last cycle, then there is really room for something new under the sun,
> that's what I see as an historic chance.
>
> warmly, Brian
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">agreed Brian,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>a imperfect analysi=
s that I wrote a few years ago and that jibes with the K-wave timing,=C2=A0=
<a href=3D"http://p2pfoundation.net/Russia_and_the_Next_Long_Wave">http://p=
2pfoundation.net/Russia_and_the_Next_Long_Wave</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>my opinion is that the midwave crisis point (to be comp=
ared to 1973-74 in the last one) of the next k-wave, is when the huge oppor=
tunity will arise, and in the meantime we have to maximalize the conditions=
(even if it weren't to happen and we have to survive in something much=
worse than capitalism)</div>
<div><br></div><div>here is the as yet unpublished text of our strategic ag=
reement with the Catalan Integral Cooperative, after a previous accord with=
the post-growth alliance, we welcome other players to join these huge but =
necessary efforts:</div>
<div><br></div><div><p class=3D"" style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px=
15px;padding:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);font-size:10.909090995788574px;font-f=
amily:Lato,sans-serif!important"><a href=3D"http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/t=
owards-a-first-stateless-commons-transition-plan-a-partnership-of-p2p-f-wit=
h-the-catalan-integral-cooperative/2014/08/06" rel=3D"bookmark" title=3D"Pe=
rmanent Link to Towards a first stateless commons transition plan: a partne=
rship of P2P-F with the Catalan Integral Cooperative" style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,51);font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none;font-size:1.7em">Towards a fi=
rst stateless commons transition plan: a partnership of P2P-F with the Cata=
lan Integral Cooperative</a></p>
<img src=3D"http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/wp-content/uploads/avatars/Michel=
%20Bauwens.jpg" alt=3D"photo of Michel Bauwens" align=3D"left" style=3D"col=
or: rgb(42, 42, 42); font-family: Ubuntu, 'Lucida Grande', Verdana,=
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10.909090995788574px;"><p style=3D"line-heig=
ht:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:Ub=
untu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10.90909099=
5788574px">
</p><div id=3D"postauthorname" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:bold;p=
adding:1px;font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:10.909090995788574px">Michel Bauwens</div><div id=3D"postdate=
" style=3D"color:rgb(153,153,153);padding:2px;font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucid=
a Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10.909090995788574px">
6th August 2014</div><p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padd=
ing:0px;color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verd=
ana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10.909090995788574px"></p><br style=3D"color=
:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:10.909090995788574px">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:1.2em;overflow:hidden;color:rgb(42,42,42=
);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif"><p s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px"><strong>The Gene=
ral Assembly of the Catalan Integral Cooperative has confirmed a proposed p=
artnership with the P2P Foundation.</strong></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">This is an i=
mportant development for several reasons.</p><p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;=
margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">First, the Catalan Integral Cooperative is=
the first new type of cooperative that is entirely in line with the idea f=
or a new type of coops engaged in the co-production of the commons, and, af=
ter themselves already embodying these ideas before we formulated them=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Coope=
rativism_for_the_P2P_Age" style=3D"color:rgb(184,91,90);text-decoration:non=
e">in our recent appeal</a>, they are committed to continue and pioneer the=
path of open cooperativism.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">Second, the =
CIC fully endorses=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Researc=
h_Plan" style=3D"color:rgb(184,91,90);text-decoration:none">the Commons Tra=
nsition Plan</a>=C2=A0that was formulated in connection with the <a href=3D=
"http://floksociety.org">floksociety.org</a> project in Ecuador. The FLOK e=
xperience was important in that it was a historical first for such ideas to=
be endorsed at a nation-state level, but also because that cooperation wit=
h a government brings=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://p2pfoundation.net/FLOK_Society=
_Project#Evaluation_by_Michel_Bauwens" style=3D"color:rgb(184,91,90);text-d=
ecoration:none">its own type of challenges</a>. How to transition towards p=
artner state practices with a state that is not a partner state itself ?</p=
>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">The experien=
ce in Catalonia promises to be very different. While the CIC endorses the C=
ommons Transition Plan as its own development plan and roadmap, of course t=
o be adapted and concretized to their own needs, it wants to apply the prop=
osals for the commonification of public services and the partner state, not=
at the state level, but at the civic level. So the aim here is to directly=
create civic institutions which can, within or outside of the CIC, carry o=
ut the same support functions and enable the further expansion of the commo=
ns economy, in particular to stimulate p2p-based production and manufacturi=
ng, which the CIC itself is already pioneering. If successful, we may well =
have a adaptable/changeable but also largely replicable model that could be=
used in other regions of the world as well, because it will have been the =
experience where different pieces of successful DNA have come together in a=
working model.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">Here is the =
announcement of the CIC, translated from Catalan and Spanish:</p><p style=
=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">=E2=80=9C<strong>CIC=
and P2pfoundation strategic partners</strong></p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">It=E2=80=99s=
been a while now since some people in the CIC took the initiative to start=
collaborating with the P2P Foundation after certifying our common goals. I=
ndeed, the Permanent Assembly of July 27 approved supporting this line of s=
trategic partnership between CIC and P2P Foundation.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">In fact, the=
P2P Foundation itself (a foundation for the peer-to-peer alternatives), ha=
s already expressed the need to partner strategically. You can find more in=
formation about the purpose of the P2P Foundation=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://p2=
pfoundation.net/" style=3D"color:rgb(184,91,90);text-decoration:none">on it=
s website</a>.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">Amongst it=
=E2=80=99s priorities, the P2P Foundation includes the promotion of open co=
operativism, as explained in this article. In this sense the CIC appears as=
one of the ongoing initiatives with most affinity to these principles of o=
pen cooperativism, and for both organizations it seems important to keep on=
developing it and make it known.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">Another prio=
rity of the P2P Foundation, and one of the areas where they have developed =
more research, is to generate transitions towards open production processes=
related to knowledge and towards a social, common goods economy. In this s=
ense, they have been collaborating with Flok Society, a project financed by=
the government of Ecuador, for which=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://en.wiki.flokso=
ciety.org/w/Research_Plan" style=3D"color:rgb(184,91,90);text-decoration:no=
ne">the following document was composed</a>.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">From the cor=
e work group of the CIC in this area we have suggested that they collaborat=
e with us to tailor a plan of this type for the development of CIC in the f=
ollowing 5-10 years. The objective is not as a theoretical approximation, b=
ut to contribute towards identifying and developing key strategic projects =
that might enable the production of tangible and intangible commons to beco=
me one of the reference characteristics of the CIC=E2=80=99s approach to pr=
oduction.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">The P2P Foun=
dation has responded enthusiastically to the proposal, amongst other reason=
s because they will bring their experience and knowledge to a grassroots in=
itiative like ours. We are already beginning to form a joint working group =
so as to get started with our work. Michel Bauwens, the P2P foundation=E2=
=80=99s co-founder, expressed his intention to find funding for this projec=
t through several independent european foundations.</p>
<p style=3D"line-height:1.5em;margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px">In addition =
to these initiatives, as strategic partners, new ways for collaboration wil=
l most certainly appear in the future.=E2=80=9D</p></div></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Brian Ho=
lmes <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"">On 08/02/2014 01:29 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I have one question, you say Minqi Li says there is no longer a reserve<br>
periphery .. but what about Africa ? (and the rise of latin america in<br>
the naugthies ?)<br>
<a href=3D"http://p2pfoundation.net/Rise_of_China_and_the_Demise_of_the_Cap=
italist_World-Economy" target=3D"_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Rise_<u><=
/u>of_China_and_the_Demise_of_<u></u>the_Capitalist_World-Economy</a><br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Minqi Li's claim is that too many formerly peripheral countries -- espe=
cially the giants, India and China -- have moved into the position of what =
the world systems theorists call "semi-peripheral" countries, sup=
plying mid-range or partially elaborated products to the central, high-tech=
nology producers. The result is a declining pool of people to exploit, both=
in terms of labor and resources, and in terms of defenseless markets that =
must necessarily buy products from the center. When large percentages of th=
e world population have access to at least mid-level producer technology, c=
apital can no longer accumulate at the former centers, whose power declines=
. The current state of affairs in Western Europe and the US/Canada seems to=
bear this thesis out.<br>
<br>
In such a perspective, Michel, your ideas and those of everyone working on =
p2p and commons approaches become far more pertinent. When the centers of c=
apital accumulation can off the fruits of very high technology to all of th=
ose, across the world, who rise into the middle classes, then there is scan=
t likelihood of winning them over to a cooperative approach -- the powers o=
f capitalist seduction are just too strong. Yet in a condition of long-term=
stagnation, coupled with environmental threats stemming directly and visib=
ly from capital accumulation, alternative proposals may become much more at=
tractive across a flattening global hierarchy.<br>
<br>
Of course I agree with Orsan that everything possible must always be tried =
right now. But it is encouraging to realize that over the middle term, ther=
e are some dynamics going our way. It is tough to sustain the fascist-type =
solution for very long. Too many people have too much agency, even under se=
vere conditions. If it is true that capitalism can no longer produce employ=
ment of even the precarious kind that prevailed under the last cycle, then =
there is really room for something new under the sun, that's what I see=
as an historic chance.<br>
<br>
warmly, Brian<br>
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ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I h=
ave no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div><div><b=
r>
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">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>=C2=A0 - <a href=3D"http://blog.p2pfoundation=
.net" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href=
=3D"http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" ta=
rget=3D"_blank"></a>Updates: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target=
=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href=3D"http://www.facebook=
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