[P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] <nettime> Consensus within the Bay Area elites?

[willi uebelherr]

Dear Brian,

we don't know us. I read your texts in the maillist from P2P Foundation. 
Never you find a way for any transition from your point of view. You 
look to the top and not to the base.

You wrote:
"What has typically been lacking, among the sectors oriented
toward p2p and the commons, is a real understanding of how important 
state institutions and industrial development still is. If we want to 
influence the responses to the crisis, we have to be aware of these 
things and actively deal with them."

This is the core of your thinking. You look like the rabbit at the 
snake. But if you go more and more inside in the economy, then you 
understand, that state institutions and industry are not important. We 
don't need it.

And the actors in this areas know it very clear. The result is the 
construction of more and more regulation and the propaganda for this 
instances.

In the economy we don't find money. Only in the distribution system. And 
all, about what you wrote, have only his roots in the distribution system.

You have to totally disolve all the dogmas, which you torment.

Also the FLOK project in Ecuador can never be effective. This, because 
the state institutions are the destinations. But this are primarly 
parasitic institutions. They exist basicly on the extractivism, against 
the people in Ecuador, against the Indigenas.

All this people in the state institutions and FLOK project are hoping 
for a good income without any working. The only way to change the world 
are the independent Comunas. Based on a independendent local economy and 
this is always based on local technical infrastructures.

We have to search for ways to create this. It means, to help the local 
people to create her independent economy. And this include all the 
decision-making power. Then the states are superfluous.

A very good text to the theoretical foundations of the FLOK project and 
P2P Foundations is the text from Jakob Rigi:

The Coming Revolution of Peer Production and Revolutionary Cooperatives. 
A Response to Michel Bauwens, Vasilis Kostakis and Stefan Meretz.
http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/486

many greetings, willi
Jinotepe, Nicaragua


Am 24/05/2014 15:05, schrieb Michel Bauwens:
> a mustread of Brian Holmes
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Networkedlabour] <nettime> Consensus within the Bay Area
> elites?
> To: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>, Jaap van Till <
> vantill at gmail.com>
>
> Michel, it's great to hear from you. Your ideas are often on my mind: I
> consider you the most precise, most generous and least compromised exponent
> of the cooperative economy, which is clearly the best thing to have emerged
> out of the short-lived growth surge of the 1990s. It is typical of you to
> write immediately whenever someone expresses anything like an idea or a
> proposal. Your attentiveness is really much appreciated.
>
> ...