[P2P-F] Transnational and P2P Commons Transitions

[Örsan Şenalp]

Gordon thanks for agreeing! Yet, I should admit that although I
recognise Michel's and all P2P-F teams great contribution, I can not
consider anybody or any one organisation as the world leader or
something like this, especially when we are discussing about p2p,
commons, floss related issues -it contradicts 100% with the content.

I feel that your personal conflict with FLOK team was kind of a last
drop bringing all the internal tensions and clashes out, so appreciate
for that! So that we could heard and learn much more about the
details, of the project's practical side. There is a certain amount of
juicy rumour material for sure, for those who are into it. Yet the
importance of the real substance with regard to theory and practise of
transition goes much beyond that as you may agree as well.

After rereading your, Michel's, and FLOK people's reactions my humble
conclusion with respect to your case, it may be a problem came purely
out of communication-and practical arrangements, then turns partly low
level or nasty accusations -I have the feeling that it was more of
personality-ego..etc driven kind of process.

The way I read is that; Michel did the right and virtuous thing by
standing up for you both defending you and his decision to bring you
in, and took the risk by bringing his criticisms on overall process
into public. And after both said harsh things to each other, like in
every fight some times without meaning it, and later on it gets calm
down. Since escalation do not really help anyone to go deep in the
content and valuable aspects in the experience.

Orsan




On 27 July 2014 04:18, Gordon Cook <cook at cookreport.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The fact that following the EU elections the murdered civilians in
> critical conflicts like in Ukraine, Gazza, Syria, and Iraq rapidly
> increased, is alarming. These might be the last warnings for the
> approaching 'train accident', going to be caused by the elite in fight
> on the steering wheel. The models and systems of managing the
> status-Que does not work and as they are unable to deliver the new.
> The ruling classes leading entire world in to a catasptrohpe of yet
> another corrective war is inevitable. This situation is felt shared,
> yet not shout out. Yet it has re-flamed (again) the discussion and
> exchange of ideas and practises on the 'transition', with its
> revolutionary, reformist or synthetic (Refo-lution/REvolution)
> versions. To 'get it' this time is becoming more and more mortal in
> every second.
>
>
>
> in general i agree with you Orsan.  I believe that Michel is one of the most
> importunity resources the world has in avoiding the on rushing disaster you
> describe.  But I am also quite alarmed that as of my last contact with him
> just about a week ago he appears to have capitulated to the attacks of the
> ecuadorian spaniards who don't like that he would dare to assert that he has
> a right to write is own assessment of what happened..  He has publicly
> promised such an assessment.  I have two drafts of an intermediate version
> and yet apparently because of issues in spain on the part of those who want
> to see ecuador swept under the carpet he has decided to capitulate and fall
> silent in the face of their threats.
>
> In my opinion this is setting up the biggest disaster of all and is why I
> shall publish lengthy open letter to michel on july 31.
>
> you say
>
> To 'get it' this time is becoming more and more mortal in
> every second.
>
>
> you are absolutely correct. And this is why I will be publishing why i hope
> will be my final installment on the ecaudor fiasco on the 31 of july under
> the general header of an open letter to Michel.
>
> Michel has made himself through much personal sacrifice the major world
> leader in this field.  In doing so he has achieved a high profile that has
> painted a target on his back.  The critical question has now become, can he
> be trusted. Because his WORD should be firm and solemn at this point.  He
> has sworn that he will deliver a final report yet as of july 18th at a p2p
> foundation meeting the collective apparently took a decision that doing so
> will stand in the way of projects with things like they would like to
> achieve with CIC so he will not do so.
> http://cooperativa.cat/en/come-back-a-story-which-we-made-together/
>
> michel it is up to you.  you have given your word that you will act.  you
> now pear to be withdrawing that word.  If you do so why should any of us in
> the future trust you?
>
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