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"The Internet is a wonderful leveller. But democracy requires a great deal
more than mere 'levelling'. Primarily,* it requires political institutions
that enable the economically weak to have a decisive say on policy against
the interests of the rich and powerful." *
"Citizenship (including formal liberties) is distributed liberally to all
citizens... but its reach is confined to a small political sphere; a sphere
which is increasingly losing out to a separate economic sphere where all
the capacities to change people's lives (for better or for worse)
congregate but where citizenship is irrelevant."
*Tom Crowl*
http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:
> Thanks for your comments. Though correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you
> meant to address them to my reply...
>
> *Tom Crowl*
> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, William Dyson <william.dyson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Andy
>> Thanks so much for your reply and wonderful observations !!!
>>
>> I have a deep background in Political Philosophy and Public Policy. I
>> come from a life of struggle and poverty in the United States.
>>
>> I have been writing code/developing for over 15 years.
>> 10 years ago I developed one of the first micropayment systems for the
>> music industry while living in Europe. It was itunes before itunes existed.
>>
>> I also have a background in "Capital" markets having been a technical
>> consultant for private investment banks in Europe and the United States.
>>
>> I have devoted my life to creating technology that brings about CHANGE
>> that is outside of current dominant frameworks of politics and economics.
>>
>> I understand the issues around "* NO generally useful civic-oriented,
>> neutral vehicle has emerged to my knowledge" *and have of course made
>> sure that this issue is addressed in the efemurl platform
>>
>> All Power to All of the People
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>> 10. We Want, Land, Bread, Housing, Education, Clothing, Justice, Peace,
>> and* People's Community Control of Modern Technology *
>>
>> Follow me on efemurl <http://efemurl.com/?action=timeline&username=eugenedebs>
>>
>> On February 21, 2014 at 9:14:47 AM, Tom Crowl (culturalengineer at gmail.com<//culturalengineer at gmail.com>)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andy, William,
>>
>> RE both of these endeavors (and others similar)
>>
>> http://www.decentproject.eu/
>>
>> http://www.efemurl.com
>>
>> Great ideas BUT...
>>
>> Without a functionality not available elsewhere... they'll have a very
>> difficult road building sufficient penetration to have an effect. (in other
>> words reach a tip-over point whereby its growth becomes self-reinforcing).
>>
>> The couple of times I've attended the PdF (Personal Democracy Forum)
>> there have always been a number of endeavors seeking to accomplish similar
>> things. There have been some small successes... (Like MeetIUp)...
>>
>> *But NO generally useful civic-oriented, neutral vehicle has emerged to
>> my knowledge. *
>>
>> While the Internet industry has become a fiefdom for privately held
>> landscapes (e,g, Facebook and Twitter are landscapes as are other
>> transaction platforms) finding the balance between the public and private
>> good seems beyond their understanding or interest...
>>
>> *The micropayment is the key to what must be a 'public' piece of the
>> Internet landscape.*
>>
>> And is the catalyst for such a community-oriented platform.
>>
>> Its nature requires scale* from the start... a Manhattan Project for
>> community involvement... perhaps unfortunately requiring the co-operation
>> of both the Internet and Financial sectors. (In other words... to effect
>> change ... as Robert Frost said: "The way out is always through").
>>
>> But both these sectors are unfortunately incredibly self-satisfied and
>> confident of their own nobility and engagement in "God's Work"... and hence
>> incredibly resistant to self-examination.
>>
>> P.S. Its not just about funding candidates and causes... but rather
>> altering the user's relationship to and understanding about money,
>> governance, scale and their position in this new landscape... as well as
>> their own responsibility in these areas. Moreover, in time I believe it
>> will lead to LESS money in politics, MORE transparency, more
>> self-organization for local community purposes... and finally less of a 'White
>> Collar Government<http://www.amazon.com/White-Collar-Government-Economic-American-Politics/dp/022608714X>"
>> forming a natural counter-force to the excessive wealth concentration which
>> has always been a death knell for Enlightenment-oriented societies. Sadly,
>> solutions may rely upon some of those who benefit by the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tom Crowl*
>> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Tom Crowl <culturalengineer at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> *The reason for the connection between currency and democracy (in my
>>> mind at least):*
>>>
>>> Is rooted in how both are connected to *decision*. A decision is an
>>> intention + an action
>>>
>>> Whether for an individual or a civilization... aside from chance and
>>> physical circumstance... survival is solely determined by decision.
>>>
>>> No matter the basis of that/those decision(s).
>>>
>>> Money at root is a technology for creating chains of decision made
>>> necessary by scale (where people don't know or trust each other).
>>>
>>> Democracy is a technology (or more properly some collection of
>>> technologies) for making certain collective decisions.
>>>
>>> Money creation... the methods for its introduction into a social body...
>>> as well as its use in advocacy and support... are ALL political acts.
>>>
>>> This is tied into some of the reasons that for five years I've been
>>> stating that the natural conjunction between the essential need for a
>>> speech-related micropayment... which naturally leads to a unified core...
>>> can also function as a tool for association... AND form a natural home for
>>> alternative currencies...
>>>
>>> The only difference with the endeavor you cite is that I feel its more
>>> practical to build this neutral civic hub from traditional currencies...
>>> and I didn't know or use all the computer jargon back in '08.
>>>
>>> And when I see the crap the industry falls over for its very
>>> disappointing to see what's not being looked at.
>>>
>>> Decision Technologies: Currencies and the Social Contract
>>>
>>> http://culturalengineer.blogspot.com/2010/07/decision-technologies-currencies-and.html
>>>
>>> Capability ENABLES Responsibility
>>>
>>> http://culturalengineer.blogspot.com/2008/10/capability-enables-responsibility.html
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tom Crowl*
>>> http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Andy Oram <andyo at oreilly.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder whether anyone on this thread is following this initiative:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.decentproject.eu/
>>>>
>>>> I don't see a why to search archives for the group. Here is a key
>>>> description of the project from one of their slides:
>>>>
>>>> D-CENT will develop an open, federated and decentralised social
>>>> networking platform for large scale collaboration based on
>>>> integrating successful open-source codebases that enable to share in
>>>> real-time open data, democratic decision making, and digital
>>>> currency for the social good.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why the combine democracy and currency--but it fits
>>>> exactly with what Tom has been talking about, funding candidates and
>>>> other campaigns.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded me=
ssage ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Tom Crowl</b> <span=
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:culturalengineer at gmail.com">culturalengi=
neer at gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:00 AM<br>Subject: Re: [projectvrm] One-click =
micro payments, membership monopoly, monied "like" button<br>To: =
<br>Cc: Andy Oram <<a href=3D"mailto:andyo at oreilly.com">andyo at oreilly.co=
m</a>>, Peter Cranstone <<a href=3D"mailto:peter.cranstone at 3pmobile.c=
om">peter.cranstone at 3pmobile.com</a>>, Dan Blum <<a href=3D"mailto:da=
n at respectnetwork.net">dan at respectnetwork.net</a>>, ProjectVRM list <<=
a href=3D"mailto:projectvrm at eon.law.harvard.edu">projectvrm at eon.law.harvard=
.edu</a>>, Michel Bauwens <<a href=3D"mailto:michel at p2pfoundation.net=
">michel at p2pfoundation.net</a>>, John S James <<a href=3D"mailto:jj at r=
eplicounts.org">jj at replicounts.org</a>>, Kevin Cox <<a href=3D"mailto=
:kevin.cox at edentiti.com">kevin.cox at edentiti.com</a>>, David Brin <<a =
href=3D"mailto:davidbrin at sbcglobal.net">davidbrin at sbcglobal.net</a>>, Do=
uglas Rushkoff <<a href=3D"mailto:rushkoff at gmail.com">rushkoff at gmail.com=
</a>><br>
<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><b>Linked below a very worthwhile history of =
governance as well as its problems and pitfalls. In my opinion no VRM solut=
ion can take hold w/o addressing the declining power of citizenship.</b></d=
iv>
<div>
<b><br></b></div><div><b>Can the Internet democratise capitalism?</b></div>=
<div><a href=3D"http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/02/21/can-the-internet-democ=
ratise-capitalism/" target=3D"_blank">http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2014/02/21/=
can-the-internet-democratise-capitalism/</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>From the piece:</div><div><br></div><div>"Th=
e Internet is a wonderful leveller. But democracy requires a great deal mor=
e than mere ‘levelling’. Primarily,<i> it requires political in=
stitutions that enable the economically weak to have a decisive say on poli=
cy against the interests of the rich and powerful." </i><br>
</div><div><br></div>"Citizenship (including formal liberties) is dist=
ributed liberally to all citizens... but its reach is confined to a small p=
olitical sphere; a sphere which is increasingly losing out to a separate ec=
onomic sphere where all the capacities to change people’s lives (for =
better or for worse) congregate but where citizenship is irrelevant."<=
br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><i><b><font face=3D=
"'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">Tom Crowl</font></b></i><div><font fac=
e=3D"'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"></font><a href=3D"http://CulturalE=
ngineer.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.co=
m</a></div>
</div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Tom Cro=
wl <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:culturalengineer at gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">culturalengineer at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for your comments. Though correct me if I'm wro=
ng but I believe you meant to address them to my reply...</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all"><div>
<i><b><font face=3D"'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">Tom Crowl</font></b=
></i><div>
<font face=3D"'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"></font><a href=3D"http://=
CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.bl=
ogspot.com</a></div></div></font></span><div><div>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:43 AM, William=
Dyson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:william.dyson at gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">william.dyson at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Ari=
al;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Andy</=
div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0=
,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
Thanks so much for your reply and wonderful observations !!!</div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margi=
n:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
I have a deep background in Political Philosophy and Public Policy. I=
come from a life of struggle and poverty in the United States.</div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);ma=
rgin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rg=
ba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">I have been writing code/develop=
ing for over 15 years. </div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
10 years ago I developed one of the first micropayment systems for the musi=
c industry while living in Europe. It was itunes before itunes existed.&nbs=
p;</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba=
(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rg=
ba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">I also have a background in &ldq=
uo;Capital” markets having been a technical consultant for private in=
vestment banks in Europe and the United States. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1=
.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvet=
ica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"=
>
I have devoted my life to creating technology that brings about CHANGE that=
is outside of current dominant frameworks of politics and economics.  =
;</div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(=
0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">I understand the issues around "<i=
> NO generally useful civic-oriented, neutral vehicle has emerged to m=
y knowledge” </i>and have of course made sure that this issue i=
s addressed in the efemurl platform </div>
<div style=3D"margin:0px"><br></div><div style=3D"margin:0px">All Power to =
All of the People</div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><br></div><div style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px">William </div><div style=3D"margin:0px"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin=
:0px;line-height:auto">
<br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"><d=
iv>10. We Want, Land, Bread, Housing, Education, Clothing, Justice, Peace, =
and<b> People’s Community Control of Modern Technology </b></div=
><div><br>
</div><div>Follow me on <a href=3D"http://efemurl.com/?action=3Dtimeli=
ne&username=3Deugenedebs" target=3D"_blank"><span>efemurl </span><=
/a></div></div></div><div><div> <br><p style=3D"color:#a0a0a8">On February =
21, 2014 at 9:14:47 AM, Tom Crowl (<a href=3D"mailto://culturalengineer@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">culturalengineer at gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><div><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Andy, William,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>RE both of these endeavors (and others similar)</div>
<div><br></div>
<a href=3D"http://www.decentproject.eu/" style=3D"font-family:'times ne=
w roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:16px" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.decentproject.eu/</a><br>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.efemurl.com/" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:13px" target=3D"_blank">http://www.efemurl.com</a><br>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Great ideas BUT...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Without a functionality not available elsewhere... they'll
have a very difficult road building sufficient penetration to have
an effect. (in other words reach a tip-over point whereby its
growth becomes self-reinforcing).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The couple of times I've attended the PdF (Personal Democracy
Forum) there have always been a number of endeavors seeking to
accomplish similar things. There have been some small successes...
(Like MeetIUp)...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><i>But NO generally useful civic-oriented, neutral vehicle has
emerged to my knowledge. </i></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>While the Internet industry has become a fiefdom for privately
held landscapes (e,g, Facebook and Twitter are landscapes as are
other transaction platforms) finding the balance between the public
and private good seems beyond their understanding or
interest...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><i><b>The micropayment is the key to what must be a 'public'
piece of the Internet landscape.</b></i></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>And is the catalyst for such a community-oriented
platform.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Its nature requires scale* from the start... a Manhattan
Project for community involvement... perhaps unfortunately
requiring the co-operation of both the Internet and Financial
sectors. (In other words... to effect change ... as Robert Frost
said: "The way out is always through").</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>But both these sectors are unfortunately incredibly
self-satisfied and confident of their own nobility and engagement
in "God's Work"... and hence incredibly resistant to
self-examination.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>P.S. Its not just about funding candidates and causes... but
rather altering the user's relationship to and understanding about
money, governance, scale and their position in this new
landscape... as well as their own responsibility in these areas.
Moreover, in time I believe it will lead to LESS money in politics,
MORE transparency, more self-organization for local community
purposes... and finally less of a '<a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Whi=
te-Collar-Government-Economic-American-Politics/dp/022608714X" target=3D"_b=
lank">White
Collar Government</a>" forming a natural counter-force to the
excessive wealth concentration which has always been a death knell
for Enlightenment-oriented societies. Sadly, solutions may rely
upon some of those who benefit by the problem.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all">
<div><i><b><font face=3D"'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">Tom
Crowl</font></b></i>
<div><a href=3D"http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com</a></div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Tom
Crowl <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:culturalengineer at gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">culturalengineer at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><b>The reason for the connection between currency
and democracy (in my mind at least):</b>
<div><br></div>
<div>Is rooted in how both are connected to <i>decision</i>. A
decision is an intention + an action</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Whether for an individual or a civilization... aside from
chance and physical circumstance... survival is solely determined
by decision.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>No matter the basis of that/those decision(s).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Money at root is a technology for creating chains of decision
made necessary by scale (where people don't know or trust each
other). </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Democracy is a technology (or more properly some collection of
technologies) for making certain collective decisions.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Money creation... the methods for its introduction into a
social body... as well as its use in advocacy and support... are
ALL political acts.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>This is tied into some of the reasons that for five years I've
been stating that the natural conjunction between the essential
need for a speech-related micropayment... which naturally leads to
a unified core... can also function as a tool for association...
AND form a natural home for alternative currencies...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The only difference with the endeavor you cite is that I feel
its more practical to build this neutral civic hub from traditional
currencies... and I didn't know or use all the computer jargon back
in '08.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>And when I see the crap the industry falls over for its very
disappointing to see what's not being looked at. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Decision Technologies: Currencies and the Social
Contract</div>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://culturalengineer.blogspot.com/2010/07/decision-techn=
ologies-currencies-and.html" target=3D"_blank">http://culturalengineer.blog=
spot.com/2010/07/decision-technologies-currencies-and.html</a></div>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>Capability ENABLES Responsibility</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://culturalengineer.blogspot.com/2008/10/capability-ena=
bles-responsibility.html" target=3D"_blank">http://culturalengineer.blogspo=
t.com/2008/10/capability-enables-responsibility.html</a></div>
</div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all">=
</font></span>
<div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><i><b><font face=3D"'trebuchet ms=
9;, sans-serif">Tom Crowl</font></b></i></font></span>
<div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><a href=3D"http://CulturalEngineer.blogs=
pot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://CulturalEngineer.blogspot.com</a></font><=
/span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Andy
Oram <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:andyo at oreilly.com" target=3D"_=
blank">andyo at oreilly.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,ser=
if">I
wonder whether anyone on this thread is following this
initiative:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.decentproject.eu/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.decen=
tproject.eu/</a><br>
<br>
I don't see a why to search archives for the group. Here is a
key<br>
description of the project from one of their slides:<br>
<br>
D-CENT will develop an open, federated and decentralised
social<br>
networking platform for large scale collaboration based
on<br>
integrating successful open-source codebases that enable to
share in<br>
real-time open data, democratic decision making, and
digital<br>
currency for the social good.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure why the combine democracy and currency--but it
fits<br>
exactly with what Tom has been talking about, funding candidates
and<br>
other campaigns.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
Andy<br></font></span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br></div>
</div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></=
div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><b>=
Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record=
of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div><div><br></div>P2P F=
oundation: <a href=3D"http://p2pfoundation.net" target=3D"_blank">http://p2=
pfoundation.net</a> - <a href=3D"http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" targe=
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