[P2P-F] Fwd: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

[Denis Postle]

I don't doubt Willi has to go.

If you are reading this Willi, your messages seem to be written from a 
place of distressed desperation and I suspect that with the Bollier book 
message you may, intentionally or not, be actually seeking rejection. 
Some of us can get into a psy framework where such rejection is 
necessary to sustain our view of the world or ourselves and eventually 
we may succeed in getting our wish.

That said, I wonder if there is anything we need to attend to re P2P 
Foundation governance and its (our)  public presence? Don't Willi's 
provocations amount to the third such attack this year on, or resistance 
to, the P2P Foundation's accumulation of power? At a minimum, the power 
to define what matters in economic and social futures?

I don't know the answer to this but having experienced a few attacks 
myself, I have come to see all dissent, including that coming from 
distress, as carrying a story that can have value for the target. What 
is this opposition trying to tell us?

I find the Foundation hugely valuable but I still find its, (our?) 
governance less than transparent. The present debacle has been useful 
for me in opening this out a bit and also in providing an example for 
the parallel  discussion under 'matriarchy' which provides a very 
relevant context for these questions.

Thanks Michel for the facebook posting of some of my remarks there.

Goodbye Willi. Take care.

Denis

On 20/08/2014 18:09, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> I used to maintain a strong rule of no personal attacks on the list, 
> but I must say I have gotten tired to be the only one reacting,
>
> Willi, who is notorious for these kinds of attacks and false 
> accusations, is clearly making a gratuitous accusation against our 
> friend David Bollier, whom I know as a lifelong activist for the 
> commons, at great personal sacrifice, and the contrary of someone who 
> uses the commons for private personal gain.
>
> does everyone find that normal ? do we have to the time to spend 
> answering such provocations ?
>
> personally, it is here that I would give a warning to Willi, and say, 
> this is not the place for such unsupported attacks, and please abstain 
> or you will have to leave this forum.
>
> But for Willi, this is just been systematic practice, so the warnings 
> have been repeated endlessly in various forums, and it has had no effect,
>
> So I'm requesting the removal of Willi from this list, as he has been 
> removed recently from the networked labour list, exactly for the same 
> reason,
>
> Kevin, as list manager, I believe this is your job?
>
> personal defamation is not an acceptable practice on this list,
>
> I am not going to get into a debate on this, but if any people would 
> find it such practices normal, I would propose to disband this list 
> and start a new one where this rule is made clear from the very 
> beginning, avoiding endless discussions on it,
>
> Michel Bauwens
>
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> Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:49 PM
> Subject: P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43
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> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:49:22 -0500
> From: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com 
> <mailto:willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Book of the Day: Think Like a Commoner
>
>
>
> Dear friends,
>
> i love the contributions of hartsellml. You think, David Bollier is
> working for the commons?
>
> No. You see, he want to sell his books only. Try to find a free access
> to his writing. He use the commons resource, our discussion, our
> visions, our doing, our history to make a private buisness with his
> description.
>
> many greetings, willi
>
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Book of the Day: Think Like a Commoner
> Datum:   Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:35:36 PDT
> Von:     hartsellml
>
> Book of the Day: Think Like a Commoner
>
> ** Book: Think Like a Commoner
> <http://www.newsociety.com/Books/T/Think-Like-a-Commoner>. A Short
> Introduction to the Life of the Commons by David Bollier. New Society, 
> 2014*
>
>
>
>
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