[P2P-F] The Economics of Monasticism by Nathan Smith

Thu Jan 31 16:32:23 CET 2013

Do you have a link to watch or download that documentary Michel?

Kevin

On 31 January 2013 15:23, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>  Dear Anna,
>
> I resonate with that comment,
>
> having spent a few years living in, and more interested in, intentional
> communities, some with a strong spiritual identity, I had come to the same
> conclusion, i.e. that no community without children AND elders, was
> 'realistic'.
>
> However, as the New We documentary shows, there are now multi-gender and
> multi-generational communities w hich have subsisted over several decades
> and at least two generations
>
> also of course, monasteries were hierarchical/feudal in their authoritity
> structure,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>  1. Re: The Economics of Monasticism by Nathan Smith (Anna Harris)
>    2. Fwd: Be part of the new Edgeryders community: independent,
>       bottom-up and self-organized. (Kevin Carson)
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:22:20 +0000
> From: Anna Harris <anna at shsh.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] The Economics of Monasticism by Nathan Smith
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> The element left out of this analysis is the fact that monasteries are
> single sex establishments which do not have to cope with child rearing.
> They are therefor parasitic in the sense that they live off the produce of
> the society at large which provides them with the personnel while leaving
> them free to indulge in their 'spiritual capital'.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that child rearing is the most difficult and
> undervalued profession, since it is performed in the main voluntarily by
> untrained people out of love, and therefore does not appear to require any
> specific investment. Consequently it can be ignored as in the above
> discussion as though living in a secular socialist commune could be
> compared to living in a monastery.
>
> I am not decrying the need for a spiritual element in helping to sustain
> indivuals and groups. Indeed I think it is essential to bring meaning in
> the present situation of imminent 'collapse of civilisation', but it needs
> to be able to be interwoven into our everyday lives, not hived off into
> separate cloisters which may be beneficial for the inmates but do not
> really contribute to the sustenance of the rest of us.
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