[P2P-F] [commoning] The Co-operative University (Hoeschele, Wolfgang)
dante.monson at gmail.com
Sat Dec 28 12:06:47 CET 2013
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Wolfgang,
> Thank you for sharing your article<http://www.scribd.com/doc/49712621/Making-Place-for-Abundance>- it overlaps with approaches I like to take.
> I see a number of potentially overlapping and emergent "layers".
> I like to hear from other people's dreams or personal experiences.
> I see the potential for an understanding of distribution / aggregation
> layers, mutually empowering each other in an emergent way, building up
> critical diversity for further emergence, resilience, and ( ideally ? )
> viable systems.
> I ll be happy to map out our non linear understanding. ( a mapping tool
> where we can export our data ? )
> *// in advance, apologies to Silke - this will be a long post with a lot
> of links //*
> Some layers I experiment(ed) with , followed by a few projects.
> I want to talk about Nomadism, as it embodies imho an understanding of
> distributed systems - understanding I wish to use even when not moving (
> geographically ).
> I see *layers of distribution and aggregation mutually empowering each
> other in an emergent way.*
> Short, medium and long term approaches , and resilience through their
> overlap, can also be taken into account.
> I want to bring forward potentials for synergies and emergence ( based on
> "critical diversity" ? ), and using Integral City<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_City>and some research ( if one can call this research ? ) I did or am doing, to
> compare or apply it to.
> *- Nomadism :*
> *- it can imho be translated into the experience many more have, for
> example at a city scale , or also via "seminar hopping" lifestyles , movie
> production lifestyles, etc -*
> talking from personal experience
> of a type of nomadism based on a low ( monetary ) threshold ( hitch hiking
> I would aim at experiencing a flow of temporary autonomous zones ( often
> events ), hitch hiking from the one to another, taking into consideration a
> "logistics of options" to direct myself across europe. ( moving east or
> west, north or south, depending on how events may seem to empower more
> options for intentional convergence and supporting needs at later stages )
> I am glad Wolfgang mentioned "non places". Much of the time was spent
> crossing "non places", moving towards aggregators where, for a moment, some
> shared "warmth" could be experienced.
> Nomadism ( especially moneyless , or almost moneyless ) , in my view,
> embodies *an experienced understanding of a distributed system of
> distributed systems* : hitch hiking as intentional distributed system -
> used as a layer to facilitate access to - ... hospitality as a distributed
> system - being hosted for a limited amount of time - ... which can empower
> meeting people, which itself can lead to events , to shared learning,
> distributed information networks, etc ... each of these potentially
> empowering distributed intentional "tribes".
> Such social capital constantly being worked on - if not, the energy imho
> dissipates over time.
> Such understanding of nomadism ( / of distributed approaches ) can be
> applied within more specific geographical environments, such as a
> particular city itself.
> I guess others wrote about this ... ( Negri, Hardt, ... )
> I personally like the contents of this site :
> It is important , imho, to reduce "empty places" and time ... as to make
> it viable. Focusing on places where there is a higher density and
> diversity of mutually empowering potentials, that can , even if one uses a
> temporary autonomous approach, further feed other processes and enable a
> continuity of flow.
> This is some of my shared experience of too much "spreading out" :
> Convergence may be possible in cities - yet the cost of space , in
> monetary terms, or of securing access to space ( if one squats ) is often
> very high, itself leading people to allocate their time to service such
> monetary cost, reducing availability, and increasing the potential for
> "empty places" ... or "empty social places", as people are "too busy" ...
> Finding distributed approaches to use such spaces and generate spaces on
> top of existing infrastructure , as to converge social networks /
> aggregate, may be one approach. Narratives imho also play a central role
> in such flows of aggregation. Time, too, plays a role. High turnovers
> in certain cities may not enable long term continuity or development of
> projects, unless a combination between longer term residents and short term
> residents can be found.
> Planning is not always possible when there is such constant reshuffling -
> hence the potential for stigmergic information tools to manage logistics of
> options and generate flow and emergent collective intelligence.
> As it requires constant work on social networks,
> but also as I sense there is a need to create reference points for oneself
> to return to,
> aggregators which can overlap as to enable continuity , rather then
> leaving empty spaces of nothingness,
> after 5 years on the road I needed to find solutions for places of
> unconditional return.
> A tribe , even if it morphs, yet enables shared intention, can be such
> "home" - even if and when it moves in space. Sometimes families can
> represent such form of tribe, yet in western societies , imho, families end
> up being instrumentalized in favor of dominant socio-cultural narratives.
> In some cases, people like me who wish to generate alternative / less
> coercive narratives may end up marginalized from both society and family.
> Underlying logic that I notice from people in mainstream narratives being
> : "if I "have" to do this, why would s/he not , hence I can not support
> him, as it would furthermore requestion my own sacrifices over time to
> survive in this system". Not all adopt such stance - and it is
> interesting to understand what processes or contexts opens people up ...
> I see a need for overlap in terms of time frameworks.
> At casarobino ( a nomadbase.org which hosted over 1000 people in a small
> flat over a 3 year time framework ), I noticed how overlap between short
> term ( a night or two ), medium term ( a few days to a week ), and longer
> term ( a few weeks ? ) residents enabled transfer of self organized
> cultures and information needed for such self organization, and how it
> enabled some form of fluidity in terms of internal social dynamics.
> Furthermore, the casa seemed to serve an aggregation role, enabling a place
> of return on a longer time framework, leading to individuals coming back to
> the space, feeding and at the same time maintaining what imho looked like
> intentional subcultures enabling its self organization. ( may be
> interesting to study this further in depth : the role of such aggregators,
> and intentions that may serve as shared engagment and underlying social
> contracts )
> For the moment, debt seems to be one of the powerful forces leading people
> to be prepared to share engagement / generate social contracts. ( often
> generating more centralized control and artificial scarcity ? )
> To free ourselves from ( monopolistic and hierarchical ) debt information
> systems of control, I sense we need to generate alternative distributed
> engagement tools.
> Reification is imho risky business ( in terms of control - see this
> article<http://www.academia.edu/4498786/How_does_reification_ensure_our_wilful_subordination_to_authority> )
> , yet worth experimenting in a distributed form - to facilitate temporary
> aggregation , as stigmergic tools ? ( hence mentioning the netention
> research, which also includes understanding regarding Linked Data, ... )
> Yet, indeed, "places" can be aggregators.
> I see the risk of "institutionalization" of places ( and centralized
> control )
> Potentially, such institutionalization of spaces can be ok as long as
> networkes are not enclosed within it, and that such networks can access
> sufficient diversity, as to never depend on any one source ... yet be able
> to build on top of institutionalized infrastructure, although I do not see
> this as a solution. Ideally, one would aim at enabling distributed forms
> of ( temporary ) infrastructure away from institutional influence and
> In some cases, there may be potential to support a distributed commons
> through institutional support, playing on the strategic interests of
> specific institutions in doing so - yet rarely does this seem to come,
> imho, without a cost / conditions. Mapping externalities can be a
> potential of tools such as suggested by netention research - including
> practices visualizing open value networks ?
> Here is some research ( draft ) I did as to attempt such approach in
> The idea being to benefit from existing infrastructure, at a lower cost (
> in terms of debt ), and creating a sufficiently great diversity and amount
> of individual projects, as to build distributed systems on top of the
> proposal of the usership of a living space
> Prices in Leipzig now seem to have increased - so I needed to change
> Using the potential for FabLabs / local small scale manufacturing based on
> open source research and development,
> I imagine using vacant spaces ( in urban or countryside environments )
> to build up temporary housing.
> Eric H. used the terms "pop up villages" and "furnitecture" ( portemanteau
> for furniture and architecture )
> see : http://sharewiki.org/en/Spime_Housing
> It can include approaches such as wikihouse ( http://www.wikihouse.cc/ )
> , ...
> Ideally, I imagine modular and parametric approaches ( I noticed some
> designer and architect active on Edgeryder forums think so too )
> Some cities, such as Brussels, see imho high turnovers ( 15 to 20 percent
> of its population annually ? ). There is a lack of housing, prices are
> rising as population increases, etc
> In such kind of context, I also see the potential for some of the
> approaches expressed earlier on ,
> using the potential of massive amounts of vacant space ( for example :
> over 2 million square meters of empty office space )
> to generate temporary contracts where temporary structures ( furnitecture
> / urban pop up villages ) can be set up, as some form of temporary living.
> For example in Brussels :
> Various subcultures can / are converging and overlapping, with each having
> high turnovers, or people keeping a base while living nomadic lifestyles -
> for example dancer networks, theatre networks, but also all kinds of
> students, people doing internships, people on short term contracts for
> international institutions or businesses, etc
> The environment itself can generate new layers and opportunities.
> Beyond reducing costs / increasing quality of life with limited monetary
> income via a sharing economy approach,
> it can be about generating conviviality , liberating time by reducing
> costs, and increasing potential for interactions around shared intentions
> or interests.
> Freed time opens up potential for participatory action research and
> Approaches that combine subcultures and generations can also be adopted.
> It can be an evolution from the "co-living" approaches which have
> permeated into many urban living / social practices.
> In effect, such types of temporary spaces generating defacto "free
> some of them leading to "project incubation"
> Also see :
> http://opendoor.io/ --> projects
> I wanted to generate such spaces for a number of years,
> yet I realize that a more specific and easily understood narrative is
> needed to enable shared intentional engagement.
> A narrative for a "school" can be an example of a way to bootstrap such
> engagement. Incubators , coworking spaces , or even, in the countryside,
> permaculture or construction / renovation projects can all be narratives
> attracting people for a certain period of time.
> Yet often there needs to be a "spark", and the threshold for such spark
> often requires a minimum of resources ... which itself already requires
> Although I shared this link earlier on , also see :
> Convergences such as
> seem to already be a filter for those ready to engage in setting such
> prototypes... hopefully building on the experience of past "communes",
> but hopefully also enabling neo nomadic / distributed overlap, as explained
> in this mail.
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Hoeschele, Wolfgang <whoesch at truman.edu>wrote:
>> Thank you for your thoughts, Anna, Dante, Wouter!
>> Something that I wrote that resonates with what you are saying, Dante, is
>> And of course, at the Commons Abundance Network, we are seeking to
>> provide links to any initiatives of the types that you mentioned, and
>> develop our network as a virtual collaboration space to help such things
>> develop. The more networking there is among such initiatives, both online
>> and in actual places, the more they will be able to coalesce into real
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: commoning-bounces at listen.jpberlin.de on behalf of Wouter Tebbens
>> Sent: Fri 12/27/2013 4:54 PM
>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson
>> Cc: commoning at listen.jpberlin.de
>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] The Co-operative University (Hoeschele,
>> Wolfgang) (Hoeschele, Wolfgang)
>> I love the idea of such "uncompromised temple". It would be a reference
>> site where so many free/libre/open/commons-governed/knowledge initiatives
>> would come together.
>> Ideally it would be in a bottom-up organised country. And it would of
>> course be a node in the distributed network of already existing nodes.
>> Some would spend more time their while others, even with a longtime
>> commitment, would only come there physically from time to time. Teachers,
>> learners of all disciplines would join in special sharing sessions to
>> construct collective knowledge and common projects.
>> As you say, if such initiative can be seen as a kind of insurance, it
>> will be easier for some to invest/contribute. The transition is probably
>> not going to be easy for many people, so assuring some basics would be
>> I need to continue other conversations right now, but the ideas discussed
>> here have my interest. Thanks and best wishes for sustainable and solidary
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