[P2P-F] Venus Project Open Transition - Help wanted

Wed Mar 21 23:00:04 CET 2012

The Venus Project needs experienced people to volunteer some time,
regarding possibly transitioning into the Open Community..

www.thevenusproject.com
www.tvpactivism.com

I have been discussing this in a thread (link below), and am to the point
that people who have done open projects, or related things, need to input
into this. I have done a bit of research and am needing anyone who can
possibly have some correspondence with me and maybe show how things will be
handled if the choice is made to go Open with past, present, and/or future
works and projects.

http://tvpactivism.com/en/community/groups/viewdiscussion/84-open-licensing-tvp-copyrights?groupid=175

I think this volunteer organization is very much aligned by default, by
definition, with the Open and Free Software and related movements, however
the person who started this is in his mid 90s now, is still alive and well
for his age, but doesn't know about these things. I am trying to bridge the
gap between us and the all encompassing open developments that are growing
worldwide.

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> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:16:22 +0100
> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
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> http://www.feasta.org/2012/03/16/invitation-to-join-the-feasta-currency-group/
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> https://www.facebook.com/groups/designercurrencies/
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> Date: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM
> Subject: Invitation to join the Feasta Currency Group
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> Invitation to join the Feasta Currency Group
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> This message is sent to the extended Feasta email list, as a one-time
> invitation to join the Feasta Currency Group if you are interested in
> pursuing a currency initiative in your locality.
> What is the Feasta Currency Group?
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> It?s a primarily online Community of Practice (CoP) for local currency
> advocates (and would-
> be advocates) to share experience and information around the development
> and implementation of local currencies ? initially via a Facebook Group and
> a group email list.
> Why have a separate group?
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> Because it sometimes makes sense to share and develop incomplete ideas and
> preliminary plans of action with input from peers before going completely
> public. Feasta covers a very broad range of economic sustainability issues
> ? not all Feasta followers are interested in the way designer currencies
> can impact local economies.
> Is this solely about developing The Liquidity Network (LQN)?
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> No. The FCG is committed to developing and detailing the ideas behind the
> LQN <http://www.theliquiditynetwork.org>, and getting
> them into practice, but we do not see this as a competitive process. We
> want to engage with local currency advocates as their own ideas develop,
> help them to articulate objectives for their currencies, co-design and
> develop tools for understanding local economic circuits, and watch and
> learn from their dialogues with their peers.
> Does the CoP include national as well as local initiatives?
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> This will depend on the interests of the members. The FCG sees the
> potential reintroduction of national currencies in europe as an extension
> of local currency discussion. The distinction is perhaps between activism
> and policy-influencing and at present the FCG is more committed to the
> former. But CoPs belong to their members.
> Do I have to be a member of Feasta?
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> We aren't going to police this, but we'd very much appreciate it if you
> were. Membership <http://www.feasta.org/get-involved/> is a small price to
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> From: Kevin Carson <free.market.anticapitalist at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] P2P Foundation Representation in Solidarity
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> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Joe Rinehart <joe at firestormcafe.com>
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> > Hey Kevin, I'm mostly a lurker on this list, but I think its a great idea
> > for folks more interested in P2P technologies to be involved in the
> > Solidarity Econ movement.? I think the organizational membership is a
> great
> > idea.? Worth noting though is the US SEN is not perhaps the most active
> of
> > organizations, and that other groups like Solidarity NYC and the U.S.
> > Federation of Worker Owned Cooperatives are worth reaching out to as
> well.
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> Thanks for the tip, Joe (sorry about the delay in replying -- my inbox
> has been a mess).
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> Anyone else have thoughts on the groups Joe mentioned?
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:16:27 -0400
> From: Gordon Cook <cook at cookreport.com>
> Subject: [P2P-F] THE $7 TRILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
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> anyone have any comments?  not good that o few seem to care about law
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> THE $7 TRILLION DOLLAR QUESTION THAT HAUNTS BANKS: When Will the Obama
> Administration Recognize that MERS Destroyed the Chain of Title Making All
> Foreclosures Suspect?
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> http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/2012/03/16/the-7-trillion-dollar-question-that-haunts-banks-when-will-the-obama-administration-recognize-that-mers-destroyed-the-chain-of-title-making-all-foreclosures-suspect/?utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EconoMonitor%20Highlights%3A%20This%20Week%20Had%20a%20Little%20Bit%20of%20Everything
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> I?ve been writing about the MERS monster since 2010. Here is one of my
> early pieces:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/l-randall-wray/merss-smoking-gun-part-1-_b_794713.html
>
> I suppose it is now safe to reveal that a staffer of Representative Marcy
> Kaptur put me on the trail of this fraud?in dollar terms it has to be the
> single biggest fraud in human history. In sheer utter disregard for law it
> is certainly the most audacious fraud in Western history. To tell the
> truth, I had never heard of MERS until she called. If you recall the
> Michael Moore movie, Rep Kaptur stood on the steps and told homeowners
> facing foreclosure to stay in their homes. She was right: the banksters
> have no legal claim on the homes they are foreclosing. Foreclosure is
> theft. Any bank that used MERS has no legal claim on property?there are 65
> million such mortgages to which no bank has a legal claim to foreclose.
>
> And, to be sure, even those mortgages that were not run through MERS are
> suspect if they are handled by any of the five biggest servicers. These
> servicers keep such shoddy records that they cannot be trusted to
> accurately credit payments. They?ve been adding on fees and penalties that
> were unwarranted since they cannot keep track of records.
>
> Folks, there are $7 trillion of securitized mortgages. It was (mostly) the
> securitization process that demanded fraud. Securitization could never have
> been profitable?it was a flawed way to go about financing homeownership. It
> was simply too expensive to compete with Jimmy Stewart thrifts. It required
> fraud to show profits. (As Bill Black always says: fraud is a sure thing.
> It is always the most profitable way to run a business?until you get
> caught.)
>
> In addition to the MERS monster, we also know the securities did not meet
> the ?reps and warranties? claimed. The banks that did the securizations
> will continue to get sued to take back bad mortgages. They are trying to
> shovel as many of these back to Fannie and Freddie as they can so that
> Uncle Sam will take the losses?as discussed in my previous blog they are
> now doing it through sale of servicing rights.
>
> And of course Uncle Ben has helpfully put a lot of them on the Fed?s
> balance sheet. This is all part of the cover-up to avoid the obvious: all
> these big banks are massively insolvent as soon as the courts wake up to
> the fact that the whole damned real estate finance onion is layer upon
> layer of fraud.
>
> But let us stick to the MERS fraud.
>
> There should be an immediate and complete halt to all foreclosures in the
> US, and all foreclosures that have been completed over the past decade
> should be nullified. Yes that will get messy. But continuing with
> foreclosures will make the mess immeasurably worse. This foreclosure crisis
> is not going to stop.
>
> No one should buy any bank owned real estate because it is probable that
> eventually the US will return to the rule of law. The property will be
> returned to the rightful owners?those who were illegally kicked out of
> their houses.
>
> Now that might be a pipe dream, but if the US is not going to be a nation
> ruled by law then it will not survive.
>
> The biggest banks?including the GSEs?created MERS and proceeded to destroy
> our nation?s real estate property law. That is not an overstatement.
> Robo-signing is just one small and inevitable consequence of the fraud. The
> truth is that foreclosure cannot go through without fraud because the banks
> do not have the documents to show clear title.
>
> Banks don?t have them because they do not exist.
>
> There are no records because that was MERS?s business model: destroy all
> records of ownership while speeding the securitization process.
>
> And since the mortgages themselves were often frauds (designing
> ?affordability products? that homeowners could not afford), many would end
> in delinquency. So MERS was designed to speed the foreclosure process?it
> would be so much easier to foreclose if you didn?t bother with documents,
> records, and property law. Just kick the owners out, take the home, sell
> it, and reboot the whole scam again.
>
> Another whistle-blower has come forward, this one from CBO. Lan Pham was
> fired because she refused to get with the program: the government is
> supposed to help the banksters cover-up their frauds, NOT expose them! She
> refused. So she was fired. Now she tells her story.
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/terminated-cbo-whistleblower-shares-her-full-story-zero-hedge-exposes-deep-conflicts-impartial-
>
> I won?t repeat her entire story?you can read it at Zerohedge. Here are a
> few quotes from Lan Pham, the CBO whistle-blower:
>
> I was repeatedly pressured by the CBO Assistant Director, Deborah Lucas?
> to not write nor discuss issues in the banking sector and mortgage markets
> that might suggest weakness in these sectors and their consequences on the
> economy and households?
>
> ?Issues at the heart of the foreclosure problems pertain to
> securitization?.and the Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS),
> which purports to have legal standing on electronic records of ownership on
> about 65 million?mortgages? MERS?facilitated Wall Street?s ability to
> expedite the pooling of subprime mortgages into MBSs by bypassing standard
> ownership transfer procedures as the housing bubble escalated?
>
> The implications have profound financial and economic consequences that
> would be of compelling interest to Congress and the public, but the CBO
> sought to silence a discussion of such risks, that in reality have been
> materializing. These risks put into question the ability of investors or
> bondholders to make claims on the collateral (the homes) that underlies
> trillions of dollars in MBSs, the bulk of which are now guaranteed by
> ?Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This affects $10 trillion in residential
> mortgage debt outstanding, of which $7 trillion in mortgage-backed
> securities (MBSs)?
>
> The CBO dismissing such issues prevents an analysis of the risks, so that
> the public may be forced again to shoulder the consequences for which they
> have not been a given a voice or a choice.
>
> Essentially, the chain of title on securitized mortgages appears broken,
> whether or not there is a foreclosure. This would pertain to most
> homebuyers in the past 10 years as most mortgages were securitized by
> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac providing the guarantees, and the largest banks
> (?The $7 Trillion MBS Problem ? Foreclosure Problems and Buybacks?). Recall
> that these same entities founded MERS, which expedited securitization and
> purported to have foreclosure authority from its electronic records of
> ownership on about 65 million mortgages. ?Robo-signing? emerged as
> fraudulent or defective documents were used or created to establish the
> legal authority to foreclose as MERS faced legal challenges; as of July 22,
> 2011, foreclosures could no longer be initiated in MERS? name. At last
> year?s pace, some figures suggest it could take lenders in New York 62
> years to clear their foreclosure inventory, 49 years in New Jersey and a
> decade in Florida, Massachusetts, and Illinois.
>
> It is unclear how the recent State attorney generals? agreement to a
> proposed yet unpublished terms of the $25 billion robo-signing settlement
> would repair the chain of title issues that continue to mutate. In January
> 2011, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reversed the foreclosure
> actions of two banks for lacking proof of clear title, followed by a
> decision in October 2011 that a buyer who purchased a house that was
> improperly foreclosed upon does not make the buyer the new owner of the
> house; the sale does not transfer the property.
>
> A striking little mention fact of the Massachusetts foreclosure case was
> that the lenders could not show that the two mortgages were part of the
> securitization pool. Let?s consider a thought exercise. Others have the
> raised the question: if the entity that has been taking the homeowners?
> mortgage payments is not the real owner, what happens when the true
> owner(s) of the mortgage shows up? Are homeowners on the hook again for
> those ?missed? mortgage payments? It was not uncommon for mortgages to be
> sold multiple times, and it is my understanding that loans were
> intentionally not given unique identifiers as it moved from origination or
> purchase through to securitization.
>
> This is what I?ve been arguing since 2010. This will not go away?no matter
> how much the Administration, the Congress, and the banks try to cover it up.
>
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