[P2P-F] Fw: [gang8] Fwd: The Soros view of the euro - Comments

[robert searle]

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From: G W Gardiner <geoffrey.gardiner at btinternet.com>
To: gang8 at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012, 18:09
Subject: Re: [gang8] Fwd: The Soros view of the euro - Comments


  
My recollection is that post 1945 the British government banned borrowing for the purchase of financial assets and the ban was removed very slowly until Thatcher had a clean sweep of controls. I remember being worried that she was making a repeat of 1929 possible.

In the fifties some of the bank managers I knew, who had got their posts during the war when 80 per cent of bank lending was to the government, were happy to let things continue that way. As it always the case, both extremes are bad.

Geoff


From: Gunnar Tomasson 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:02 PM
To: gang8 at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [gang8] Fwd: The Soros view of the euro - Comments

  
I agree, Michael. 
The system-wide equality between assets and liabilities is one thing.
From a policy point of view, there are two key points.
1. Ensure that the system-wide ratio between financial and non-financial components do not grow to a point where it threatens system-wide stability.
In my Icelandic presentation in 1982, I likened it to the ratio between a ship’s superstructure and the ship itself.
Excessive growth of the superstructure will at some point overturn the ship.
2. Establish and enforce a Glass-Steagall-like firewall between provision of financial services to the financial and non-financial sectors.
Institutions can become too-big-to-fail only if the non-financial sector is hostage to the uncertain financial investment/speculative outcomes.
There will always be investment/speculative outcomes which threaten to bankrupt financial institutions.
To bail them out without re-installing a Glass-Steagall-like firewall is to set the stage for an encore down the road.
Gunnar
From:gang8 at yahoogroups.com [mailto:gang8 at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:51 AM
To: gang8 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gang8] Fwd: The Soros view of the euro - Comments
  
But remember, Gunnar, there is a disparity between “imports” and exports” because of f.o.b., c.i.f. friction.
    Best to divide economies into financial and non-financial, or at least separate out the  FIRE sector.
    Michael


On 6/4/12 11:01 PM, "Gunnar Tomasson" <gunnar.tomasson at verizon.net> wrote:

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>From:"Gunnar Tomasson" <gunnar.tomasson at verizon.net>
>Date: June 4, 2012 2:00:55 PM EDT
>To: "'Gunnar Tomasson'" <gunnar.tomasson at verizon.net>
>Subject: RE: The Soros view of the euro - Comments
>Briefly, the world monetary system is a CLOSED system whose balance sheet is
>always in equilibrium irrespective of the volume of credit/money creation -
>the system's assets (loans) are always equal to its assets (IOUs of
>borrowers).
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>Briefly, the world monetary system is a CLOSED system whose balance sheet is
>always in equilibrium irrespective of the volume of credit/money creation -
>the system's liabilities (loan deposits) are always equal to its assets
>(IOUs of borrowers).
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>From: Gunnar Tomasson [mailto:gunnar.tomasson at verizon.net] 
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:56 PM
>To: 'gang8 at yahoogroups.com'
>Subject: The Soros view of the euro - Comments
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>Dear Gang.
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>Here are comments which I posted just now on Facebook on the Soros view of
>the euro as summarized at:
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>http://www.businessinsider.com/george-soros-speech-goes-viral-2012-6
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>The euro crisis is rooted in the same set of international banking
>Ponzi-financing norms that sank the Icelandic banks and much else in October
>2008. 
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>In turn, these banking norms evolved - slowly at first but then more rapidly
>- after, and as a result of, the scuttling in the early 1970s of the Bretton
>Woods System which had acted as a brake on domestic U.S. and
>(dollar-denominated) international credit expansion.
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>Leading mainstream and monetarist economic scholars applauded the demise of
>the BW System and welcomed what was thought to be the advent of more
>efficient allocation of capital across the globe.
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>"Capital" - as in real goods and services used for productive purposes - is
>not the same as "money" whose supply, for the world banking system as a
>whole, is subject to NO quantitative limitations. 
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>How so?
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>Briefly, the world monetary system is a CLOSED system whose balance sheet is
>always in equilibrium irrespective of the volume of credit/money creation -
>the system's assets (loans) are always equal to its assets (IOUs of
>borrowers).
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>By overlooking this elementary lesson of double-entry book-keeping, the
>guardians of world monetary and financial stability (the U.S. Federal
>Reserve Board, the International Monetary Fund, and national Central Banks)
>collectively launched the international monetary system on a 40-year path of
>structural disintegration.
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>Now, with the end result looming, neither Angela Merkel nor an angelic choir
>of thousands can undo what mainstream economic orthodoxy has wrought.
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>Gunnar
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