[P2P-F] Spirituality and the internet

Tue Sep 13 09:25:10 CEST 2011

I do read everything you write Richard!

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Poor Richard <poor.ricardo at gmail.com>wrote:

> Michel I know you don't have time to read much less respond to my
> chatter...
>
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2011 1:00:16 AM UTC-5, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> I find the Lilly diagram VERY VERY useful, many thanks, it clearly maps
>> out possible differences in giving value to such experiences ...
>>
>> However, I'm agnostic on them, because whatever their ontological status,
>> they are 'real' experiences and have 'real' meaning. So for the the correct
>> consequence is: 1) acknowledging the experience (eye of spirit); 2)
>> discussing their meaning intersubjectively (eye of mind); 3) assessing their
>> ontological status (eye of matter, the 3 mind theory of Lilly).
>>
>
> Yeh that sounds pretty sensible.
>
>
>> I would love to read Luminarium, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/**
>> 09/04/books/review/luminarium-**by-alex-shakar-book-review.**html<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/books/review/luminarium-by-alex-shakar-book-review.html>,
>> which directly investigates those issues ...
>>
>
> I'll check out the review.
>
>
>> ha John Lilly (big bouts of nostalgia) ... yes, Richard that really shows
>> (y)our age <g>
>>
>> for the  young amongst us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**John_C._Lilly<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly>... can't remember who that was, but I once hadd long conversations with a
>> man who had been Lilly's librarian for years ...
>>
>
> I'd love to hear more about that some time.
>
> Now I can't help reminiscing a little about the time with the Lillys at
> Feathered Pipe Ranch in Montana. I was 19 or 20 maybe. In spare time I
> studied Tai Chi and Feldenkreis exercises for the first time, with teachers
> who were there. The big thing of course was the sensory deprivation tank. My
> first stint was after dark. Leaving the outbuilding that held the tank, the
> starry, starry night was incredible. It was pretty chilly but I lay down on
> the ground and gazed at the stars. Then I had one of the most amazing
> natural head trips of my life. I found I was able to instantiate multiple
> recursive "selfs". To oversimplify, I could see myself seeing myself seeing
> myself, etc. My head was never the same after that. But FYI, that time of
> witnessing my mind the way I would watch a wild animal in the woods,
> watching without motion, emotion, or thought-- I would not personally call
> that the eye of the spirit. I might call it core consciousness or something
> like that.
>
> Later the Feldenkreis teacher said I was too relaxed. She said, "You aren't
> supposed to be that relaxed, kid."
>
> Far out, huh?
>
> PR
>
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