[P2P-F] New P2P blog entry?

Mon Sep 12 08:56:33 CEST 2011

Hi Michel,

Firstly, thanks for the kudos with the link on your FB page...wasn't really
necessary but thanks anyway :) And no worries about cc:'ing the listserv
members...that's the whole point of the P2P effort after all, isn't it? :)

Thanks also for your kind offer of me being able to write some articles for
the P2P site. I would be very happy to do so, although it will have to wait
a few months (perhaps beginning in November/December) until I can get some
other pressing work out the way first; I trust that that will be OK?

In the meantime though, I will keep sending you links of interesting P2P
projects/initiatives as I stumble across them.

All the best from Rome,
Bryan

On 12 September 2011 07:18, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:

> you are right, and I hope you don't mind I cc our listmembers, this is
> EXACTLY what I have in mind with smart, organic, cooperative agriculture and
> food production,
>
> it would be really really great if you could introduce this to our blog
> readers,
>
> why not a series of 3 articles with our preferred projects?
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> And here's another link: http://nutrientdenseproject.com/.
>>
>> This voluntary network of farmers, gardeners, orchardists, ranchers,
>> agronomists, writers and researchers is working hard to re-write the rules
>> for the way in which we understand food, the production thereof, and its
>> consumption, all based on sound scientifically credible data that they
>> gather and pay for themselves. The idea is being able to conclusively
>> demonstrate (read: numbers) that soil health = plant health = nutrition
>> (sounds obvious, but you'll be astounded as to the lengths that mainstream
>> "scientists" will go to to denounce that simple correlation...I guess it's a
>> matter of not biting the hand that feeds you).
>>
>> Pure awesome-ness, as far as I'm concerned!
>>
>>
>> On 11 September 2011 17:03, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>
>>> I will check that, thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something new for your P2P site and mailing list:
>>>> http://milkwood.net/2011/08/22/regarding-the-lexicon-of-sustainability-project/and
>>>> http://www.lexiconofsustainability.com. Fascinating project already at
>>>> more that 1,000 words/terms, all portrayed in photographic and minimal text
>>>> to reach a HUGE audience for what looks to be free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 August 2011 21:46, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the link reminder...I will take a look at it again, but I
>>>>> recall looking for urban farming, apiculture and seed-saving last time
>>>>> without success...will send some more thoughts as they come to me. Want some
>>>>> links to add to those pages too and intro paragraphs?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 August 2011 20:38, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> by the way, thanks for suggesting updates for our agrifood section,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Agrifood
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah...FB, our resident spy for the US govt. is playing tricks, it
>>>>>>> seems. Adding you to the FB group page now too, so you can see all the stuff
>>>>>>> we've been up to :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 August 2011 20:18, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok, found it ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the raitong link is the one that is in your profile, and when you
>>>>>>>> click on it, you can 'like' the empty page .. which I did as well as 15
>>>>>>>> others it seems ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could pop over to Chula, yes. Tell you what, give me a call when
>>>>>>>>> you get to BKK and we can sort it out then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Re. our FB page...it shouldn't be empty...try this link:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=140808370801 (I think
>>>>>>>>> you're perhaps looking at some random page that FB created out of thin
>>>>>>>>> air...I also recently discovered this page and have no idea where it's from
>>>>>>>>> and why).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 August 2011 20:09, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we'll have to play it by ear, as I'm expected to attend this
>>>>>>>>>> conference ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can you come to chula?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> your fb raitong page is empty of content?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just connected to you on FB...please also take a moment to have a
>>>>>>>>>>> look at our FB group for Raitong Organics Farm :) i'll be available to meet
>>>>>>>>>>> on 25/26 Aug only, as the rest of the time will be on the farm and in
>>>>>>>>>>> Petchabun.
>>>>>>>>>>> _________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Hugill
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder and Environmental Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> RAITONG ORGANICS FARM
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: info at raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: bryan_hugill
>>>>>>>>>>> www.raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>> www.khaosrikram.com
>>>>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 August 2011 13:57, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, will do, are we connected through facebook, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> remember?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be in sasa international house, chula, 25 to 29 ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear you're already on your way back to the north, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I'll be here on those dates...give me a shout when you're here and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can take it from there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safe flight back home :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 August 2011 09:32, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi bryan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'll be back next week, the window of opportunity has closed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already, I got to catch my plane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you there next week (25-29 ish ...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Michel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a quick email to let you know that I'm back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BKK again, in case you're still keen to meet up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Hugill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder and Environmental Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAITONG ORGANICS FARM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: info at raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: bryan_hugill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.khaosrikram.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 August 2011 12:22, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks and hopefully, see you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Agrifood)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, good. I'll wait on your call then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime, and perhaps more importantly, have a great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 August 2011 12:05, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, sounds good, I'm adding it to my agenda, i'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere around chula, siam square,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our farm is Sisaket (sandwiched between Surin and Ubon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ratchathani in the NE), although much of our time is spent in BKK these days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking care of marketing, deliveries, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm actually out of the country at the moment on a work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment until 17 August, but I'd be happy to meet up in BKK when I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back...give me a call on 18/19 August (0813475920) if you're keen and we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grab a coffee somewhere in town.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 August 2011 11:56, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi bryan, I see that you live in thailand as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's raitong, I'm in chiang mai ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be in bkk aug 15 to 19
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree completely...in many ways, we're too far along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path for a fundamental earth-shattering change to happen overnight;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, we're already seeing more and more businesses, groups, networks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, etc. collaborating outside the profit margin sphere, and it's only a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of time before this conglomeration of activity reaches a tipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point (i.e., when it becomes the new mainstream)...it's going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to see the clash between this interactive network going up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the current mainstream thinking en masse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for getting back to me though, and keep up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the excellent P2P Foundation work!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best also from within Thailand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Hugill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder and Environmental Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAITONG ORGANICS FARM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: info at raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: bryan_hugill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.raitongorganics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.khaosrikram.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HEALTH!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 August 2011 11:44, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bryan, it's too long for us, but interesting, so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have excerpted from it for August 12, and people can then discover the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original for more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My take is that you can't totally uproot a society in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one go, so RBE networks have to predate any more fundamental change ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you would have to create a network of phyles, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community-based, mission-oriented enterprises, which network together
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through open book management, and can start to mutually coordinate an ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger part of their exchanges in a new way ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Bryan Hugill <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bryan.hugill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note sure whether this link may be of interest to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your website or not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theresourcebasedeconomy.com/2011/06/will-a-resource-based-economy-work/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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