[P2P-F] Fw: Info

Sat Oct 22 03:58:08 CEST 2011

Agreed-that was easy.

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From: Kevin Carson
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Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net> wrote:
> Going back to Native Populations..We're talking about 250 years of 
> interplay
> among various groups of both tribes and migrating Europeans (subgroup
> religions) at a time when communication/transportation and historical
> knowledge re different civilizations was quite wanting compared to today. 
> I
> already mentioned disease accounted for most of the deaths. The 
> interactions
> were very diverse and many mostly local until the mid 19th Century (Big
> exception-French & Indian War) Spanish, French & English migrants 
> interacted
> very differently with the tribes. In general, flagrant abuses come about
> when economic & political forces join hands.

Actually, I don't dispute the right of European settlers to homestead
vacant land that actually wasn't being used, on an individual basis.
What I was responding to was your suggestion that the common property
of nomads, homesteaded by the act of using it as hunting grounds,
wasn't "real property" and that European settlers were entitled to
homestead land in such collective use on the grounds either of need
(the overpopulated cities of Europe) or more efficient technical
exploitation of the land.  The natives, in general, were usually
amenable to foreign settlements on land they weren't actually using --
I don't think they had a collective right to exclude people from using
vacant land they weren't using themselves, any more than native
citizens today have a collective ownership over land that a Mexican
national might like to move onto.

> As to "White Supremacy"-Suffice it to say I get in trouble with my Hard 
> Left
> friends when I side with the young Hispanic girls who don't care about
> school,  get pregnant in early teens and refuse abortion. These girls 
> value
> family and love more than future prospects of good jobs & I think that's
> fine. BTW I worked at a Juvenile Detention center for a couple of years &
> understand the problems of growing up poor in rough neighborhoods.

I consider myself pretty hard left, and I can't imagine why anyone
would get bent out of shape by that.  Anyone who wants to bully girls
like that into having abortions against their own judgment or
inclination seriously needs to consider Willie Nelson's dictum:  the
world would be a better place if everybody smoked a joint every day
and minded their own goddamned business.

-- 
Kevin Carson
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