[P2P-F] Libertarians

[Natalie Golovin]

I am aware of the differences between the Cherokee Nation-Pacific SW Tribes 
and Plains groups. There were also different white tribes with different 
historical traditions. Andrew Jackson-who ordered the natives out on the 
"trail of tears" was not lacking compassion or empathy for the Cherokees. 
His sad final statement referred to the quite real fact that when 
civilizations converge and can not live in a civil society-one must give 
way. Sad but true-why don't we switch this to Israel vs the Palestinians

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kevin Carson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:08 PM
To: P2P Foundation mailing list
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor at gmail.com> wrote:
> What an incredibly odd argument to encounter on a P2P list concerned with
> reclaiming the commons!

> To say that the aboriginal people of the Western Hemisphere didn't "own" 
> the
> land is as relevant as saying they didn't read English or worship Jesus
> Christ as their savior. Europeans stole the land by imposing their own
> peculiar property regime, along with the metaphysics that viewed such
> peculiarity as both natural and universal.

I agree.

First of all, the "some" Indians who were nomads were pretty much
those centered on the Great Plains.  That leaves out all those who
practiced some form of sedentary horticulture or field cropping, like
the Five Civilized Tribes (pretty much anything south of the Ohio or
east of the Mississippi), the corn growers of the Southwest, the lodge
peoples of the Northeast and Eastern seaboard (who friggin' taught the
English colonists about native crops, fer chrissakes), the potlatch
peoples of the Pacific NW....  It's a bit like "Other than that, Mrs.
Lincoln, how was the play?"

And second, the idea that any form of ownership other than allodial,
fee-simple commodity ownership on a one-family-per-parcel basis is
invalid is nonsense.  The claim that common ownnership of hunting
grounds is null and void, and that expropriation is fair game because
those who covet them can put them to more efficient use, smacks of the
"best and highest use" arguments for eminent domain.

-- 
Kevin Carson
Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
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