[P2P-F] does google censor?

[Robin Good]

Yes Michel! Hello Sepp.

I am waiting for such documentation from Sepp!

I think that since he has such a tangible track record, he should have been
able to collect,
photograph and record the details of this beyond what I have seen so far.
(I am missing the original email to which you have been replying with this).

I think Sepp is misrepresenting my take on Google as I have publicly
expressed.

Sepp's complaints about Google date back 3-4 years, and while they could
have been Google determined,
he really had no proof at the time nor desire to look deeper into this. His
was a "feeling" corroborated
by some data, but as I did show him, there were also alternative reasons for
why that was happening.
Sepp decided to discard these other possible reasons affecting rankings and
maintained a position
that Google was willfully and very consciously doing this.

As I have learned from Sepp not to take a strong stand, let alone attack,
something or someone
until I have full proof and understanding of the issues at work, and being
him a partial entity in this discourse,
(since it was his personal site had lost traffic and visibility), I did not
see at the time overwhelming proof
that this was the case.

As I don't like Google myself, I really had no benefit in contrasting Sepp
but only a desire for more
coherency from him, and the desire that he'd look at other issues besides
the ones he thought to be the cause
of his own problems.


I am therefore quite open in supporting the publication of data that support
demonstrating that Google
manipulates search engine results, if anyone has such data available.

On this front, I have taken also a few tangible steps, by not only writing
about the larger issues that
Google may be playing with and which affect us in much bigger ways, but also
by continuously highlighting
and sharing of all the key stories that are shining light on this potential
Google controversy.

You and Sepp may want to take a peek at this channel and see the content
being published there:
http://www.scoop.it/t/google-farmer-panda-update



Give me the data and I will make good use of it.



Robin




On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:

> we definitely need documented proof on this, and then publicise it!!
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com>wrote:
>
>> I have no doubt that it IS true that Google is censoring.
>>
>> They downgrade selected content that offends their major customers (both
>> advertisers and government agencies) or puts them in a bad light.
>>
>> I've had some experience of this myself when Google re-did its algorythms
>> and my major articles critical of Pfizer's cholesterol lowering drug Lipitor
>> which had been on the first page of Google results for some years, all of a
>> sudden were way down, nowhere to be found on a search, and instead the sites
>> that sell the drug and that sing its praises were up where my critical
>> articles had been.
>>
>> To me, it's a fact that Google censors its results, not only news but also
>> normal search. It is not widely known, but it should be. Robin Good, who
>> hosts my health site, at the time did not believe Google could ever do such
>> a thing. I think he may be slowly changing his mind. If he did, and got on
>> that story, we might have an outlet to a larger public.
>>
>> Sepp
>>
>>
>>
>>   *"The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"*
>>
>> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/
>> http://www.laleva.org
>> http://blog.hasslberger.com/
>> http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger
>>  http://twitter.com/healthsupreme
>>
>> .
>>
>>  On Oct 17, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> if true, then it is very worrying ...
>>
>>
>> http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of-net-neutrality/
>>
>>
>> http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of-net-neutrality/
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