[P2P-F] Libertarians

Wed Oct 19 05:25:03 CEST 2011

The Declaration of Independence says the rights come from the Creator-thus 
human rights. But they're Secured by the State. The US scores pretty well 
regarding human rights. When abuses like slavery are targeted they have been 
addressed. Why not direct your anger at the many nations where human rights 
are at the disposition of the military or depend on one's gender or 
religion.
And please stop romanticizing native peoples. At the time-all the 
tribes-including the invading European ones- engaged in shifting alliances & 
schemes to enrich their communities. The Europeans had better weapons. And 
since no one "owned" all that available land, and many of the tribes were 
nomadic-What right (Re: a previous mail) did the natives have to dominate 
it? The invaders came from crowded cities and were "homesteading."
We're not getting anywhere with this dialogue-Why not switch gears to 
attacking CEO's & enabling bureaucrats & politicians-where we have "common" 
ground?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kevin Carson
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:48 PM
To: P2P Foundation mailing list
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie at cox.net> wrote:
> Convoluted  I’m a human citizen of the US which through its Constitution
> grants its citizens a certain set of rights & privileges. It has 3
> branches-Executive, Legislative & Judicial and a border that is 
>  “generally”
> respected and would be defended militarily if aggressively attacked. I
> consider myself fortunate to be a citizen of a country that confers human
> rights on its citizens- a rare thing. A human without a nation has no
> rights-privileges or security.

I believe I have my rights by nature of my birth as a human being, not
as a result of their being "granted" or "conferred" by any government.
The U.S. government, at most, recognizes -- or rather, pays lip
service -- to these rights.

And the wording of the Bill of Rights itself refers to "persons," not
citizens, and has been widely understood since the beginning to
require due process of law for all persons residing under the state's
jurisdiction.
-- 
Kevin Carson
Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org
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